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about me knowing everything, well i dont,

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i dont mind a great fallow deer escapes from our forest(that we rent from an estate) but only if he gets pushed out by a bigger one.

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back to the reading thing again

Trying to apply your principals and knowing "jack shit" about anything, I admit to not understanding how your practices might help the wild deer herds in our part of the world, not to mention us hunters who prefer NOT to micro manage individual animals to the point where one European "keeper" I hunted with knew every male deer almost by number and medal rating.
An interesting form of hunting, but not for all of us.
appels and oranges, there are many different ways of managing a deer herd without pen raising them or micro managing them

You have stated that where all hunters have access the herd shows" little of no improvement at all".


Explain to me then how, what may be regarded as the best "Trophy" producing herd of wild Sika deer ( Cervus Nippon Nippon) anywhere in the world continues to produce world class Trophies year after year for over 100 years without any of your "mangement" interference.
To help you answer please remember all hunters have access to the largely public lands on which the deer are located.
Hunters take immature stags, females , juveniles at all times of the year.
There is no bag limit
Hunters are encouraged by government in order to keep numbers in check. Mountain Huts are supplied at a small cost to assist in the process
Some easliy accessable areas are spotlighted
Deer have in the past being pursued by helicoptors ( indisciminatley)

Dispite all this New Zealand wild Sika rate, at least in antler growth better than most European exotic preserved herds.

im no expert on NZ sika but from what i read and the people i talk to, you have the same problem as they do in ireland, and that is a lot of red influence in the sika herd, which means that although impressive antlers, it is not sika, but a cross and therefore actually making my point that the herd has not improved but detiorated by not being clean anymore

I am not anti deer mangement, but sometimes herds with a good genetic base can thrive and provide great hunting for EVERYONE, not just a select few.
i envy you the great wilderness areas that you all down there can hunt freely, without having to pay for it, but in terms of herd magement, it will allways be an uphill battle mostly lost

I think I can now understand why your horses may not be impressed, pants up or down!!!

cute

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