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I'd be up for that---how far is that dang range from the gate???

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Not far, about 1/2 mile.

The point I'm making is it would be interesting to see what the One-Shot Groups would be for a fairly large number of hunters. My range is a gully where the shooting points are either set-ups or the sort-of uncomfortable spots that seem to drive a guy crazy in the field.

As you know, trigger squeeze is always easiest when the trigger is a keyboard or the shot that hits the killzone is number 4 of a five-shot group. Lots of fellows can shoot very well indeed, lots more are willing to take shots that are outside their shooting limitations.

And the biggest group of all from what I've seen at public ranges are those who have no idea what their limitations are but are willing to shoot anyway.

This is what bugs me about American gun magazines. The gun writers drone on and on about the performance capabilities of rifles when the tools are not at all the limiting factors in the field or at least rarely are. Wind estimation, conditioning, familiarization with field positions and pure shooting skill are. A 500-yard rifle doesn't make a 500-yard shooter. I have no problem with 500-yard rifles.

I can't really make a recommendation of what caliber is best for somebody else. Ballisitcally-speaking, every caliber named so far in this thread will do the job asked. Whether we hunters can is another story entirely.

We are really awash in superb calibers and rifles these days. Amazingly so. It is actually hard to pick a BAD caliber for the critters listed!

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Just wanted to post I agree with everything you said here...from the first word to the last---especially when it comes to how some people shoot, practice, etc...as you stated...


See guys out at the range the day before season, set up a 5 gallon bucket at 100 yards--shoot at hit..if they hit it they are good to go and that's that....WOW...

As to your comment of the 1/2 mile to the gate...at least 50 to 60% of the characters I see at the range couldn't run 1/2 that distance before they would be entirely out of wind...which is fine..if your good with it so am I ---just saying....

In regards to the long distance---more often that not, there is a lot of blue sky in the distance claimed versus reality...there are numerous times that my partners and I will be sitting on a hill glassing for game and we'll have a contest of guessing how far the next hill is or whatever...and after hunting in the mountains for 30 years--there are still quite a few guesses where a guy is off by a substantial distance when checked with the Leica rangefinder...

The magazines do promote a lot of BS as well...as suggested many times--its whoever is paying the most advertising $$ that gets the most press...guess of most of this thread my feeling is like the old saying--"Don't tell me, show me"...

Ripp

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