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Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues
      09/02/09 10:35 AM

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If you bought a gun from a decent maker you should be able to take it out of the case and just go hunt, personally I believe that it should still be like that. It should have been sighted in by the maker prior to giving it to you.
...So the question is really, do people want a "New" gun or one that works. A novelty item, or a tool all be it a beautiful one, they cant realy have it both ways. No maker can supply a bolt never turned BNIB gun and guarentee that it will work.




I mostly agree with this with the exception of the notion that a cycled action is no longer "new".
IMO, cycling and test firing is all part of the pre-sale preparation of any gun. Would the London proof house pass the 505 discussed here? NO WAY!
Would you accept a new double rifle which is off face or needs to be smoked and fit simply because it is not "cost effective" for the maker to do the hand work?
Of course not.
BTW, many of us have comparatively high dollar guns, but $2000 or so for a CZ is still not cheap - especially when you consider further work needed to bring it up to scratch.
$2K should get you an "out of the box" gun ready to go anywhere IMO.




I absolutly agree with you. I think that the notion of BNIB is silly, but I understand, that it is what "collectors" expect.
What I was attempting to do was to point out the dicotomy of the situation.

And I also agree with you that I would never send out a gun in that condition, nor would I accept one. As I said in my first post 4 pages ago, I would be banging on the dealers desk by now.

Yes $2000.00 is not cheep, but it is IMHO not enough money to make a bitch of a cartridge like a .505 chamber well, it needs to be hand fitted not a mass produced item. So in that respect it may be too cheep for what is an exotic item. I have never heard anything but praise for CZ's rimfire range for example, it seems just to be that because of the market demand they have overreached in the cost-v-quality equation.
It seems to be prevelent with guns, one just has to look at all the discussion when Winchester closed, to expect manufacturers to produce hand fitted and finished guns for a few hundred dollers (or pounds) when at the same time 1 hours labour at a service department of a factory car costs $ 100 perhaps (here it is £120.00 per hour). It just cannot be done and stay in business.

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* CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues bigboar 05/02/09 06:00 AM
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. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues Tatume   12/03/09 06:51 AM
. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues ChinaFleetSailor   09/02/09 04:28 AM
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. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues Huvius   09/02/09 05:29 AM
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. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues Bramble   09/02/09 08:03 AM
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. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues Bramble   09/02/09 10:35 AM
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. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues DarylS   09/02/09 11:05 AM
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