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Huvius
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Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues
      06/02/09 08:25 AM

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As a former federal prosecutor, I can assure that BATF would not know what to do with a .505 Gibbs if once came up and bit it on the arse. We had enough trouble getting agents not to write reports mentioning ".9 mm" pistols and .410 "gauge" shotguns, which they then expected us to present to a Grand Jury.

I'm afraid you would not get far alleging fraud in a case where a firearm failed to feed a cartridge correctly. Since the rifle was manufactured in the Czech Republic, presumably it underwent proof testing and was certified safe to shoot with standard ammunition. That should be enough to mount a successful defense against a charge of negligence, let alone fraud, which is an offence involving criminal intent. Case dismissed!




I guess I am naiive on this then.
Obviously intentional fraud may not have happened here, but just as obviously the 505 was not proof tested with standard ammunition either in the Czech Republic or in the USA, not even tested for proper chambering of a standard round.
What has to happen to reach the level of negligence?
This is not a question of silky smooth feeding or finish quality. It is a question of whether the rifle is even capable of safely firing the ammunition for which it was claimed to fire.

I am not suggesting a knee-jerk lawsuit is appropriate here, I just don't know where poor quality control becomes negligence.
Anyway, from other posts, CZUSA seems reasonable to deal with on post-sale problems.

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* CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues bigboar 05/02/09 06:00 AM
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. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues ChinaFleetSailor   09/02/09 04:28 AM
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. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues Huvius   09/02/09 05:29 AM
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. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues Bramble   09/02/09 08:03 AM
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. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues DarylS   09/02/09 11:05 AM
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. * * Re: CZ Safari Classic 550 Quality Issues Mike_Bailey   09/02/09 07:55 PM
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