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Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity
      06/10/08 02:13 AM

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"Stopping Power" would seem to be the EFFECTIVENESS of the bullet doing work on the animal shot---

Certain types of work would seem to do better "cones of work" than others--large diameter bullets penetrating to adequate depths(distances) vs small diameter bullets penetrating to much deeper depths(distances). An idealized optimum balance of work associated with "stopping" an animal.




Not meaning to cause a ruckus, but read my prior post.

All this talk about energy is irrelevant unless bullet construction is somehow factored into a mathematical formula, a requirement that none of the formulas {except Taylor, but only sort-of as JPK identifies}.

That is why comparing cartridges by kinetic energy sometimes DOES lead to accurate predictions of performance on game. None of the formulas are always accurate predictors.

Personally, my own favored mathematical formula has always been Elmer Keith's formula, but I have to admit that it too fails at times.

Apart form game shooting, quantifying performance in a repeatable test media is thus my own personal preference, tho it, too fails if consensus cannot be obtained as to what represents proper test media, and obviously it fails to predict performance of un-tested loads which is what the math formulas attempt to do. In the pistol world, Evans, Sanow & Marshall arguments arise even in the face of both street shooting and ballistic media testing.

Use of any mathematical formula is at best a general, "sort-of", "kind-of", "maybe" tool for determining "stopping power", whatever "stopping power" is {need for another agreed-upon definition yet again... }

In the final analysis, field shooting is the only way to KNOW how a load will perform, and even that requires a fairly large number of shots-on-game in order to form the basis of semi-accurate predictions if an unknown {like a different species of game, radically different shot angle, etc} is injected into the discussion.

Thus the value of cold beer and campfires!!

Discuss away, I'm sure the answer is soon forthcoming!!

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* John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity larcher 01/10/08 08:00 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity Kalunga   01/10/08 11:50 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity peter   02/10/08 02:43 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 450_366   03/10/08 05:44 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity JPK   04/10/08 12:24 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 450_366   04/10/08 05:53 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity hoppdoc   04/10/08 08:38 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity Tatume   04/10/08 11:01 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 9.3x57   05/10/08 12:28 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 450_366   05/10/08 01:39 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 9.3x57   05/10/08 03:43 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 450_366   05/10/08 04:20 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 9.3x57   05/10/08 07:04 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 450_366   05/10/08 07:02 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity hoppdoc   06/10/08 12:04 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity Tatume   06/10/08 12:39 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity hoppdoc   06/10/08 12:48 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity hoppdoc   06/10/08 01:13 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 9.3x57   06/10/08 02:13 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity Ripp   06/10/08 09:54 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity DarylS   06/10/08 11:06 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity ALAN_MCKENZIE   06/10/08 01:28 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity JPK   06/10/08 02:09 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity shakari   06/10/08 11:17 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity DarylS   07/10/08 01:02 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity JabaliHunter   07/10/08 05:56 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity JPK   07/10/08 11:52 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity JPK   07/10/08 12:05 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity hoppdoc   07/10/08 03:59 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 9.3x57   08/10/08 01:34 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity Sarg   07/10/08 12:44 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 9.3x57   07/10/08 12:54 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity Tatume   07/10/08 02:51 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity shakari   07/10/08 01:41 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity hoppdoc   06/10/08 11:03 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity Tatume   06/10/08 03:45 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity Tatume   06/10/08 04:43 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity DarylS   06/10/08 05:16 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity hoppdoc   06/10/08 06:01 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity DarylS   05/10/08 11:22 PM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity JPK   05/10/08 09:39 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity Tatume   05/10/08 01:38 AM
. * * Re: John Pondoro Taylor' KO effect VS SD x Velocity 9.3x57   05/10/08 03:36 AM

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