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Russians; being Baikal and the old royal Tula armoury (and Lebeau Courally pre WW1) have done them for decades in all grades. Don't knock the Russians from what products you plebs imagine as the "norm".

There is some spectacular stuff around in eastern Europe (incl Rus).

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none of us "plebs" were knocking the ruskies, they can actually make very fine guns when they want to

peter

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