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fuhrmann
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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges
      18/07/08 06:40 AM

Lancaster,

thanks for putting this online!
This is what I believe to be the first comparative ballistic table in German literature, published in 1900 in "Das Schiesswesen" a supplement to the hunting journal "Die Deutsche Jäger-Zeitung".
Having no scanner at hand, I retyped and translated this into an Excel file. One might see a bit more by saving the pictured, the some enlarging and editing.

The table is interesting because it compares a cross-section of old and new cartridges of the time.
Oldest: 24 bore rifle cartridge - the link relevant to this thread.
Some .500 and 11 mm BPE cartridges
Some 9.3 BP cartridges (the 9.3x72 and 82R were pretty hot numbers these days)
The 7x57 and 8x57(I), still much relevant today
As the hottest number the 6 mm Lee Navy!
And to the extreme, a 4 bore elephant rifle.

I did not retype the lengthy article accompanying the table. You will certainly enjoy to do your own interpretation of the numbers.
A lot of the text is actually explaining that these are experimental data with a lot of possible variations, so the reader should not stick to the numbers too closely.
Then the reader should see that velocity per se is not important - bullet drop and the ballistic curve is of practical relevance to the hunter. Also energy is a theoretical value, with little practical importance.

Some words about the author Albert Preuss, an important but quite forgotten pioneer of ballistics and shooting:

born 29.1.1864 in Berlin
from app. 1890 renown shotgun master shot
from ca. 1900 head of the ballistic test station Neumannswalde-Neudamm (sponsored by Deutsche-Jäger-Zeitung)
inventor of many practical items for shooting grounds: clay target throwers, moving targets, and a rifle rest for sighting in, that still is found on many German rifle stands
1905: "Lehrbuch des Flintenschiessens", even today a joy to read, Preuss knew his trade
1912: Olympic Games at Stockholm: won the bronce medal in clay target shooting (team event) and finished 6th in the singles event
1933: I found a last commentary by Preuss „Kugel und Schrot“ (the DEVA journal)
Date and place of death unknown

To be continued

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