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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND??
      03/05/08 08:54 AM

JH

Not Necessary and desirable.

Some historians do indeed hold that the war was sufficently close to its conclusion that the fire bombing of German cities was not necessary and did not materialy effect the moral of the German people. However, conversly, there are records that show that a massive number of 88mm flack guns were diverted to the defence of cities when they would otherwise have gone to be used as AT guns on the Russian front.

I am sorry if I was unclear. I wasent suggesting that journalists volentarily carry trackers, just that we plant them on them. It was entirly my intention that they be consumed in the resultant fireball.

As far as "collateral damage" is concerned. That is a wishy washy uphamism for killing civilians.
The reason that the reaction is not as it should be, or as it was in WW2, is that we are no longer led by people with the moral backbone to do what needs to be done. Nor have sufficent numbers of the general population in the UK and US been killed or directly touched by the war to raise the rage of the people. The media (please refer to above for my views on journalists)bombard us with images of individuals in these countries that are hurt by the actions that we do take. As Marshall McLuhan recognised the medium is what shapes our perception. Television lost Vietnam for the US, the troops that fought and died won, but television made that sacrifice meaningless in the body of a burnt child or a bomber shot in the head in a street.
As Stalin observed long before the advent of television "The death of a single individual is a tradegy. The death of a million is just a statistic"

Most of what we face now is because Jimmy Carter failed to launch massive strikes against Iran to free the hostages in the US embassy. His weakness encouraged the islamics and weakened the positions of those who followed who would retaliate against such actions.

As far as I am concerned their lives are entirly worthless and the loss of the entire population of Afganistan will not compensate for a single dead citizen of the UK or US. The only people who would loose out are the heroin dealers when their supply drys up.

If there are worthwhile people in these countries then they have a simple choice, move to an area under our protection and live a peacefull fulfilling life, or die. This was the lesson of the Malayan Emergency. Only by removing civilian support either voluntary or coerced from insurectionists, can they be destroyed. Although resettlment was unpopular at first the superior living conditions in the new guarded villages and compounds was so much better than that they had before most of the inhabitants came to prefer it to their former existence.

Why cannot I advocate destroying their "way of life" or "civilization" they constantly and openly threaten to do just that to us.
I do not hold life as sacriscant, either that of an animal or a human. We constantly destroy vermin when they threaten our agriculture and thus our "way of life", these are vermin and I owe them no more respect than a rat.
The "international community" is run by professional polititions. They are corrupt self serving whores. The son of the last UN secretary general was investigated for skimming billions of dollars from the oil for medicine scheme in Iraq. All hushed up and covered up. We finally get rid of Blair when the public is so fed up of the self serving grinning jackenape that he has to resign, next he is a "special envoy" to the middle east. Lunatics and asylems springs to mind.
The only engagment they will make is with the contents of their Swiss bank accounts.

I support the war, I support our troops and those of the US and commenwelth. But for the sake of love how many more boys have to come home in flag draped boxes before we do what must be done, for if we do not do it our grandchildren will have to.

I am not fustrated JH. I have a sense of terrible dread for what we will leave our children to face because of our lack of fortitude.

Regards

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