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Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho
      29/03/08 10:25 AM

9.3x57,
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This issue isn't about wolves, it is about the destruction of traditions and philosophies of game management as very successfully implemented by our state Fish and Game Departments. They have been wildly successful in growing elk and deer herds in the West and deer in the East. It is, ultimately, about the destruction of hunting and the rights of property owners just as Dphariss says.





But they have only been successful in this only because the predation of these animals could be controled due to the elimination of the wolf from their habitat. They can control when deer/elk are hunted, because people obey game laws. So they are able to artifically manage/manipulate the population in a way that would have been impossible without the elimination of the wolf from the range.

Now they have to manage the Deer/elk populations this way due to the increased loss of habitat by man. And that's the kicker with the wolf introductions. The habitat is highly restricted now. The range they have been introduced to is no where near what is was even when the wolves were first wiped out.

These deer and elk herds have only so many places they can go to live, so for a wide ranging pedator like the wolf it's like shooting fish in a barrel. They are having such a devastaing effect because they are allowed to grow in numbers out of proportion to thier range due to the 'dense' concentration of prey. (which includes the many forms of livestock)

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Many so-called environmentalists fall in your camp, the camp that espouses the notion of the "circle of life", ...




Phrases like: "Circle of Life",and "ecosystem" are bunny hugging propaganda. They tell you everything is this co-dependent chain and if one link falls out things can come apart! It's pure B.S. - species of plants, animals, and insects, go extinct every day, and the world hasin't fallen apart yet.

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Thus, any wolf that steps off Federal ground could be legally shot, poisoned, dynamited, trapped or otherwise culled at the discretion of the property owner. THAT might be a just and culturally sensitive method of managing introduced species. Right now the rights of property owners are ignored and violated at every step of this discussion.




I would say if it's on Your Property it's fair game, (to protect livestock) but that's just me.
The civil rights thing appears worth looking into, anything that takes food out of your childrens mouths needs to be brought under control.

I doubt anything but an open season and allowing night-time hunting would really reduce the wolf population.

Unlike Leopard and lion of Africa - who's gona pay big bucks to shoot a wolf? It's just a wild dog after all. And at least the wild dogs of africa have Lions, Hyenas, and such to compete with. I doubt Bears, mountain lion and wolfs cross paths enough to have a significant impact on each other - but I'm open to being corrected.

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* Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho larcher 04/02/08 10:01 PM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho JabaliHunter   04/02/08 10:33 PM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho peter   04/02/08 11:04 PM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho Ripp   05/02/08 12:57 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho peter   05/02/08 01:30 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho DarylS   05/02/08 03:54 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   06/02/08 01:46 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho EricD   06/02/08 04:31 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho JabaliHunter   06/02/08 03:45 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   06/02/08 04:31 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho peter   06/02/08 05:10 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho DarylS   06/02/08 05:55 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho AzGuy   06/02/08 11:01 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   06/02/08 11:35 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho JabaliHunter   06/02/08 11:17 PM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   07/02/08 01:37 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho NitroXAdministrator   07/02/08 02:23 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   07/02/08 03:02 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho DarylS   07/02/08 06:32 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho JabaliHunter   07/02/08 10:52 PM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   08/02/08 12:44 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho DarylS   08/02/08 02:39 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho Ripp   08/02/08 03:54 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho DarylS   08/02/08 10:15 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho bwananelson   18/04/08 01:36 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   18/04/08 11:23 AM
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. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho bwananelson   19/04/08 05:54 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   08/02/08 01:21 PM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho Ripp   08/02/08 01:34 PM
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. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   24/02/08 06:40 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho DarylS   07/02/08 02:18 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho JabaliHunter   24/02/08 07:06 AM
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. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho Ripp   25/02/08 04:11 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho szihn   28/02/08 10:02 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho DarylS   28/02/08 01:09 PM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho Dphariss   04/03/08 05:24 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   04/03/08 08:58 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho bwananelson   04/03/08 03:48 PM
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. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho bwananelson   05/03/08 09:29 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   05/03/08 10:24 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho DarylS   05/03/08 12:00 PM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho Shackleton   06/03/08 01:04 PM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho AspenHill   06/03/08 09:46 PM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   07/03/08 01:06 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho Ripp   08/03/08 01:04 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   08/03/08 01:58 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho Wes350   29/03/08 10:25 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho EricD   19/03/08 07:11 AM
. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho 9.3x57   21/03/08 11:14 PM
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. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho bwananelson   12/03/08 08:29 AM
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. * * Re: Imported wolves causing havoc in Idaho DarylS   07/03/08 02:08 AM
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