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EricD
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Moose hunting 2007
      #89481 - 22/11/07 10:37 AM

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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: EricD]
      #89483 - 22/11/07 11:34 AM

Erik it was worth the wait!!

Mange tusen takk og takk for det!!

Thank you very much for giving us the full saga. Learning how you get it done over there is just fascinating.

And many congratulations on your three!!

A few questions:

1} For your land area, what was the quota and break down of the sexes/ages? Who decides what the quota will be?

2} How many hectares is your hunting area/jaktterreng? Isn't there some government regulation that requires 1000 hectares contiguous ground to allow hunting on?

3} Can you give us a list of guns/scopes/calibers and loads used by the members of your jaktlag?

The country is beautiful. Hard to believe we aren't neighbors!

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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #89488 - 22/11/07 01:31 PM

Erik....what caliber rifles do you mostly use?

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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: 333_okh]
      #89499 - 22/11/07 05:25 PM

333_okh,

I've used for the most part 4 calibers on moose since I started hunting them: 308 Win, 30-06, 300 Wby, 375H&H. I'm up to about 50 moose now, and have come to the conclusion that all of these calibers are fine for our hunting, but I felt the 300 Wby damages too much meat. Even with good bullets such as the Swift A-Frame, and Trophy Bonded bullets, so I eventually sold it after shooting 10(?) or so moose with it.

The 375H&H does seem to put them down quicker then the .30 calibers though.

Erik


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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: EricD]
      #89500 - 22/11/07 05:44 PM

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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: EricD]
      #89502 - 22/11/07 06:36 PM

Erik Waidmannsheil - good way of hunting with dogs and all the tactics interlacing. Interesting how moose don't give a damn about a baying dog (I guess they (dogs and moose) are quite self assured about their capacities))? Just wonder - when they are bayed at by dogs, do they expect that hunter will show up? Our reds and boars do sense that, so when bayed at, they creep in to densest cover there is (they don't care for dogs neither) and just wait where/when the real danger will show up.

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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: 93mouse]
      #89513 - 22/11/07 11:11 PM

Thanks again, Erik! Your account really "hangs some flesh" on the hunt. I'm alway interesting to find out just how hunting is done in other lands, particularly {to me} where there is an organized effort involving the landowners as opposed to a more-or-less mayhem and melee free-for-all where landowners are not allowed any management involvement, as is the case here. Stark contrast!

Can you give us a picture of your rifle?

How is it set up; make, model, scope, mount, any personal modifications {looks like you have a slip-on cheek piece in one picture}.

What load do you use?

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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #89535 - 23/11/07 03:13 AM

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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: 93mouse]
      #89536 - 23/11/07 03:20 AM

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Erik Waidmannsheil - good way of hunting with dogs and all the tactics interlacing. Interesting how moose don't give a damn about a baying dog (I guess they (dogs and moose) are quite self assured about their capacities))? Just wonder - when they are bayed at by dogs, do they expect that hunter will show up? Our reds and boars do sense that, so when bayed at, they creep in to densest cover there is (they don't care for dogs neither) and just wait where/when the real danger will show up.




93Mouse,

Like all animals, moose vary. Some take a long time before stopping up when the dogs are after them (usually the older smarter ones), and I while others (often the younger dumber ones) stop up sooner, and are not as aware that a human might try to approach. As you mention, they usually go into the thickest woods possible when being bayed.

What I did not mention in the report, is that very often, the moose will get away when being bayed because they either hear or smell the hunter approaching. And when they do, they know it's time to get the hell out of there and not stop for a very long time! So it's not usually quite as easy as I had it this time.

Erik


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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: EricD]
      #89537 - 23/11/07 03:49 AM

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As for game management, we take that very seriously. I try to think what will be best for my kids and potential grandkids with pretty much everything I do.




BRAVO to THAT!!

I and my family put lots of work into our place here every year toward that end, improving game habitat and that is very satisfying work.

The American system has many grand sucesses, but some notable failures, too. All systems do I guess. I've heard the Norwegian system called a "rich man's" system while the American system is a "poor man's" system. One seems to favor the landowner, the other the "common man". Texas is a state that seems to be more like Norway in that regard I guess?

Our system in Idaho is designed in-general and according to state law to provide the most opportunity for every man. Thus, anyone who wants to may hunt and hunt on state, Federal or non-posted land {we have no allemannsrett here}. This means of course that the ability to kill game is severely restricted also. A maximum of two elk and two deer per person in Idaho, with all other game species strictly limited per licenseholder. No dogs allowed, no salt, no bait, etc for elk and deer.

A landowner has no right to be involved in the management process and may take the exact same number of animals that any other individual is alotted. No more, no less. A landowner may restrict access to his land by others, but may not take any more game no matter how many acres/hectares he owns.

"Game" is owned by "the people" and managed by the state {meaning of course that it is owned by the state... }. Only under very limited circumstances may a landowner obtain additional kill tags for animals {as for mitigation of depradation damage to crops}, and even then the landowner is not allowed to keep the meat, and is rarely allowed to do the shooting themselves. For example, in order to protect some new fields I was issued permits to kill elk/wapiti outside of hunting season under a plan designed by the game department. I was required to shoot them, gut them, make them available for pickup by a state game officer and I was not allowed to keep any meat. The meat was required to be donated to the poor but I believe the game officer gave it to his brother-in-law.

I donate meat to various charities every year, so the donation aspect was fine by me, but after all that effort I will admit that while gutting I was shaky with the tollekniv when the blade neared a couple inside tenderloins...

By the way, what about hjort and roedeer? Do you have them on your place? What are the quotas there?

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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #89544 - 23/11/07 05:18 AM

congratulations erik

and thank you for the write up, put me right back in the woods again and i was there for awhile until niicky asked me why i just sat there in the chair and smiled for myself.
do your family breed elghund yourself or do you get them from a breeder, i am partial to jæmthund for myself but thats because you can make them pull a pulk with a greater load than what i would let a elghund do.
how is your ankel doing by now ?

regards peter


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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: peter]
      #89584 - 23/11/07 07:25 PM

Thank you Erik - (sorry - my lack of moose knowledge) - do they gather in herds during winter or they live in solitude through out of year (except in rut time I guess)?

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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: 93mouse]
      #89604 - 24/11/07 03:05 AM

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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: EricD]
      #89616 - 24/11/07 05:56 AM

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Just out of curiosity, what would a season of small game hunting in the US cost?

This would vary among the states as there truly is no "American system" {my statement before was a very sweeping generalization} since game management is for the most part conducted by the separate states, but hunting licenses for a year are relatively inexpensive.

For example, here in Idaho, a resident, adult "Hunting" license costs $12.75. That allows a person to hunt grouse, rabbits, snowshoe hare, jackrabbits and coyotes {etc...} on state, Federal or unposted private land. Private landowners may charge a fee to use their land, or may post it and prevent access by others.

A "Sportsman's Package" license costs $117.25 and allows a resident adult to hunt AND fish the following:

1 deer, 1 elk, 1 turkey, 1 bear, 1 mountain lion, small game, general fishing {trout, bass, etc} + salmon and steelhead.

Trapping licenses cost $26.75 per year, and waterfowl are Federally regulated and require an additional tax stamp.





Now, Erik...

If you are contemplating a new rifle for hundeførere, why not a short 9,3x57???


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Re: Moose hunting 2007 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #89624 - 24/11/07 08:28 AM

The 9,3x62 fits the action size better.

Erik


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