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WVFRED
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Type B 8x57
#89022 - 15/11/07 12:40 PM

This is a Type B from 1908 that is a bit unusual.The bolt handle is like no others I have seen.The stock has been lengthened to over 14 1/2"lop still retaining the original horn buttplate.It has very pretty wood and some markings or proof marks on pistol grip(please see last photo).If anyone knows these marks please let me know.

Edited by WVFRED (15/11/07 12:58 PM)

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: WVFRED]
#89023 - 15/11/07 12:47 PM

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: WVFRED]
#89028 - 15/11/07 01:31 PM

Never seen a bolt handle quite like that on a Mauser. Interesting way of extending the stock rather than add a pad. Couldn't tell you what the markings mean on the grip either.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: WVFRED]
#89029 - 15/11/07 01:34 PM

Really interesting rifle. Thanks for posting!!

I'm guessing the bolt mod is merely a personal preference by a previous owner. I have flattened several of mine not exactly similarly but possibly for a similar purpose; the gun has scope bases and possibly the owner wanted a bit more hand clearance between the knob and the scope. That is why I did it. I am left-handed and have modified mine to allow easier and more secure grip on the bolt when reaching over the top. This one has a right shoulder cheekpiece, but nevertheless, the previous owner possibly just wanted better purchase of the bolt handle. Particularly when wearing gloves as I frequently do when hunting, it works.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: 9.3x57]
#89032 - 15/11/07 01:44 PM

A friend of mine told me that bolt handle like that is listed in Speeds new book as an option,I haven't got the book yet so I'm not sure of the page.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: 9.3x57]
#89033 - 15/11/07 01:46 PM

the english have done some crazy things with bolt handles especially h&h the wood butt is another english specialty mostly seen on shotguns...paul

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: WVFRED]
#89038 - 15/11/07 03:00 PM

I'll check the book as I have it, but I don't remember it as a standard option per se, though the company would more-or-less customise some guns per the buyer's preferences.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: 9.3x57]
#89058 - 16/11/07 12:17 AM

WVFRED:

I looked thru the book and did not find any reference to the bolt handle on your rifle as a standard option. Bolt knobs on many Mausers have been flattened on the bottom, that is common both in military and civilian production, maybe the most commonly seen civilian rifles with this feature being the FN actions sold under the FN and Husqvarna names, among others.

Two separate rifles with three pictures of top-flattened bolt knobs are included in Speed's book; page 267 and page 429. The flattening is not exactly like yours, and both of these rifles are vom Hofe Magnums. Unless I missed one, no picture of a British Mauser included in the book shows a top-flattened bolt knob.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: 9.3x57]
#89066 - 16/11/07 02:54 AM

Hey Gentlemen,
I could be wrong, but on page 517 of the new book there is rifle with a bolt that looks identical to me.
One of the greatest things about the book is all the factory options that were available. Sure changed the way I'll view future guns. A man will have to spend some time with the book to get it all straight.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: dale]
#89070 - 16/11/07 03:22 AM

Quote:

Hey Gentlemen,
I could be wrong, but on page 517 of the new book there is rifle with a bolt that looks identical to me.
One of the greatest things about the book is all the factory options that were available. Sure changed the way I'll view future guns. A man will have to spend some time with the book to get it all straight.

Dale, are you referring to page 517 or figure 517?

There is a pic at figure 517 of a 9.5 Mannlicher/.375 Express that looks like it could be similar but the figure 517 bolt handle looks more like the one at figure 528 to me which is checkered but only partly flattened off. At least that is what my eyes are telling me.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: 9.3x57]
#89076 - 16/11/07 04:40 AM

Hey 9ThreexFifty7,

Look at the rifle on page 517 figure 773. I,m doomed to bifocals but it looks identical to me. Jon's book makes your heart hurt.:^)

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: dale]
#89089 - 16/11/07 10:24 AM

Dale, you must have a more recent edition of the book. I don't have 517 pages... Sorry for gumming up the works!

What is the description of the gun?

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: 9.3x57]
#89095 - 16/11/07 11:48 AM

Hey 9ThreexFifty7,

I should have been more clear with my words, I have the new book. The Mauser Archive. It's loaded with photos of special order mausers. The only description it gives is:
pre ww1 type B k-action rifle with lightweight barrel, band swivel, reversed one standing/one folding rear sight, flattened bolt handle, doubleset triggers, and military-style floorplate.

The book has a ton of information and photos that were converted from factory glass pate negatives. It's going to require some serious reading. :^)
sorry for the confusion,
Dale

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: WVFRED]
#89189 - 18/11/07 02:22 AM

WVFred,

Very nice rifle. I have seen wooden buttplates on shotguns but not on a rifle before. A very nice and unique piece. I wonder if they were common? One of the more experienced members could tell us...

Congratulations and thanks for sharing.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: mehulkamdar]
#89221 - 18/11/07 10:59 AM

Mehul:
I would consider that to be a stock-extension for a larger-framed shooter, rather than a wooden butt-plate. Such things are very common on shotguns as Paul says, where stock-fit is crucial if the shooter wishes to hit any game at all!

Nice rifle BTW WVFRED, love the classics whether Brit or 'Continental'....!

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: WVFRED]
#89589 - 23/11/07 09:14 PM

She's a beauty Fred!
Does this rifle have Swedish import marks? Have seen several coming out of there to the US recently, with similar features. Especialy the butt extension. The Swedes are big guys.
I beleive the bolt handle was done to help accomodate the scope, AND to make the rifle easier to handle in thick cover with gloves or mittens!
The 8x57 is an overlooked and underrated cartridge here in the US. I love it.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: Marrakai]
#89627 - 24/11/07 09:43 AM

Thanks Marrakai,

Perhaps this rifle was modified for a particularly big made owner?

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WVFRED
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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: mehulkamdar]
#89636 - 24/11/07 11:58 AM

This wasn't a recent import it has been in the states a long time.The extention is nicely done leaving the curve in the butt and using the original horn buttplate.I'm like most of you guys....just lengthened for a large shooter.
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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: WVFRED]
#89675 - 25/11/07 12:11 AM

Similar bolt treatments are encountered on early German sporters, even Model 88s. Most that I've seen were modified mil actions. This one was probably flattened for the mounted scope as stated above. Most likely when the scope was mounted, the gunsmith included the bolt treatment. Likewise, the butt extension was done after the rifle left the factory. The Brits were usually pretty good on matching the wood extension to the grain of the stock. Everything done to this rifle says German/Austrian to me. Even the engraving on the bolt knob. It appears to me to be Fritz's custom rifle done by his local gunsmith, Hans.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: A10ACN]
#89707 - 25/11/07 07:18 AM

I'll go with Fritz's rifle, but I still say it looks like Sven did the rework.

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: FourWinds]
#89708 - 25/11/07 07:20 AM

Hey! I said that with a

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: WVFRED]
#89724 - 25/11/07 02:27 PM

Hello,
Can you tell us what address is on the receiver wall?

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: paradox_]
#89725 - 25/11/07 03:02 PM

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: WVFRED]
#89760 - 26/11/07 08:35 AM

Thanks Fred, I had an "army model" with similar markings on a bag grip

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Re: Type B 8x57 [Re: paradox_]
#89774 - 26/11/07 12:10 PM

Fred,
Thanks for the peep at your rifles, if you ever open a Mauser Museum in the Chas area I'll be one of the first in line for admission.

Rick

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