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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: SAFARIKID]
      #65646 - 10/11/06 05:14 PM

Is it possible to do the cuervo shots and pull the triggers at the same time?

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: gatsby]
      #65795 - 13/11/06 09:55 AM

Hmmm. Don't really know. I have a .375 H&H Md.70 that is fun to fire. That doesn't bother me. There's also a Ruger #1 in .416 Rigby - the more that I use it, the less it bothers me on subsequent use.
On the other hand - I suppose that weight has a lot to do with it - I tried 3" Magnum slugs (12ga.) out of a 7lb. double and it was not fun. Likewise, I had a 45-70 T/C Contender that was vicious (16"bbl). The only gun that has ever socked me with the scope is aT/C Encore with an SSK barrel, shooting 750gr. Browning .50cal bullets out of 50-70 cases - only 900fps, but the recoil pulse was so fast that I could not get out of the way. Had to put on a LR scope.
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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: SAFARIKID]
      #69862 - 20/01/07 06:42 PM

my 458 lott 500gr barnex x = 5 rounds
375h&h 270 gr barnes x = 30 rounds
450/400 400 gr woodlegh sp = 40 rounds

1 shot in rapid reload with the lott, not tucked in could knock you out.
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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: Shanster]
      #70463 - 30/01/07 09:24 AM

I guess the biggest thumper I've fired was a borrowed 450 Ackley in a 1917 Rem, probably 9.5 lbs with a 500gr/2250fps. It was unpleasant but not unbearable.
But it really depends what the target is. I fired 4 rounds from an 11 lb 470 at an elephant, and never felt or heard a thing!

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: Savuti_One_Shot]
      #70623 - 01/02/07 09:55 PM

I shoot 15-20rounds from a bench with my 460wby mag comfortably and after that I go to my smaller rifles.Was a 458 Brno but chambered later for the 460 case. It is not a heavy rifle.
The bigger the kick the bigger the fun!!
Must admit that I shot with 7mm and 30-06's and 300's that hurt me more.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: Bigfive]
      #70996 - 08/02/07 09:25 AM

Don't enjoy my light Remington 870 pump shotgun with 3 inch Slugger Magnum slugs. Those whack like a mule kick.

I can shoot the same slugs or Brenneke 3 Inch Magnums (Black Magic's) out of 12 gauge Silvio Brignoli all day long, though.

Proves the point again... It is not neccesarily the round, the caliber, the gauge... It is the gun.


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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: Yogi000]
      #71028 - 08/02/07 09:30 PM

I think I´m not really a whimp on recoil, shooting .450 and .500 NE (but two shots with a .505 Gibbs told me that this kind of recoil is too much for me....

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: escard]
      #71285 - 12/02/07 06:29 AM

22 short, 22 long rifle and when feeling adventures 22 mag.
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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: Bill_Cooley]
      #83981 - 13/08/07 08:08 AM

577 NE @ 11.5 # was very severe

500 NE @ 12# pretty bearable

470 NE @ 11 # walk in the park

458 Lott @ 11 # all day shooter

458 Lott @ 8.7 # interesting

12 gauge 6.5 # 870 slug gun hurts

It's pretty much a matter of proper fit of the rifle and a lot of mental preparation .. Tho' some of these puppies will reduce you to a bundle of useless functionless nerves ..

FC Selous said that all those years of the 4 bores really rattled him in later years , and that , to do over again , he wouldnt have used them at all , or if he did , not as much ..

The one four I did shoot was " very interesting "


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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: Schamankungulo]
      #83984 - 13/08/07 08:40 AM

I can't comment on the big ones because I've never shot a .458, .470, etc.

For some years due to a shoulder condition I had a lot of trouble with recoil of any sort but as I've improved somewhat 30 rounds at a stint is no problem at all from my .375 and 40 or 50 rounds not too bad. Before I had the shoulder thing a day at the range meant 80 or more rounds of .375 and I never had ill effects.

Some years ago I bought a cheap $70 H&R single-shot shotgun and modified it so I could carry it while elk hunting, to shoot grouse. I put a youth stock on it and hacksawed the barrel back to just legal OAL. We named it "L'il Stubby". The gun weighed just at 4 lbs and it was amazingly accurate with rifled slugs even without sights, though after running a couple boxes thru the little bugger I came to deeply appreciate my wife's soft bosom and tender caress...

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #83994 - 13/08/07 01:27 PM

Never shot the "big" rifles, just typical deer/varmint rifles(common calibers easily available in stores). 3.5 inch goose and turkey loads in an 870 get punishing really fast, but as long as I don't get carried away and do the spray and pray thing I can deal with it. I wish I still had my NEF 10 gauge though-single shot with a 36 inch barrel, and was a real dream to shoot, if not to carry. Sold it years ago when I got a great offer at a show and haven't seen with a barrel above 30 inches since.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: Bill_Cooley]
      #83996 - 13/08/07 02:34 PM

Quote:

22 short, 22 long rifle and when feeling adventures 22 mag.
Bill




Bill Cooley,

You are a BEAST!!!

Me: 17HMR, 22 short, a on a good day a .223

In the real world..... anything above a 375 real gets my attention, OK for 6-10 rounds but not really a lot of fun after 3-5 rounds.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: AzGuy]
      #84146 - 17/08/07 02:51 PM

I've got a 10 pound 470 nitro express that kicks less (from my perspective) than my 300 weatherby that weighs in at just over nine pounds. The magnums bother me more than the big slow movers. I shoot my 416 remington off the bench all day. I can usually shoot a full box of 470's (merkel double) if I wanted to spend the cash, but I hold off on that weatherby. It kicks harder than my ruger mrk2 338 win mag. I've also got a ruger #1 in a 45/70 that kicks like hell when loaded up or with some of those buffalo bore factory cartridges. It's seems that stock design (how well it fits you), weight of the rifle, and mental preparedness are the three most influential factors in felt recoil. I know little guys that can handle a lot more recoil than myself at 6'3" AND 200 LBS.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: maddenwh]
      #84167 - 17/08/07 11:35 PM

I'm at my limit with a .458 Win Mag and some 3.5" 12 gauge predator shotgun loads. I've developed a bad enough flinch without going any bigger. I simply don't see how some of the guys can stand shooting the 460 Weatherby... it is just horrendous.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: Plains99]
      #84172 - 18/08/07 12:26 AM

I bought a Weatherby .460 Euromark in college with misappropriated student loan funds. I tried to 'make back' my investment $5.00 a shot, selling the opportunity to shoot the thing at a range I worked at part time. That puppy was stout with hot handloads [young and dumb, check!], and one guy who went maybe 140 #'s took two steps back and promptly blacked out. Most I shot in a row was 12 rounds off the bench, and that left me with a magnum headache for a few hours. I have a .505 Gibbs on the way, which should be fun, but that .460 just clobbered you.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #84181 - 18/08/07 04:57 AM

My 375 H&H, and 375 Ackley are not uncomfortable for me to shoot. My Ruger 77 bolt action in 416 Rigby with 400 grain loads is curently my recoil tolerance. In fact, to be honest, I'm not real comfortable with it...yet...but I'll keep practiceing.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #84186 - 18/08/07 07:04 AM

I dont think as far as felt recoil , that the 460 is as bad as the 378 ...

I know a fellow who got a detached retina from a 505 .. It was a bit light for what it was ..

Ran into a PH with a 460 cut back to 21" without a brake .. Never saw him light it off , but , it had to be a sight to see ..


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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: Schamankungulo]
      #84189 - 18/08/07 09:12 AM

He needs to be careful touching off that 460. He could set the whole plains and brush on fire shooting that flame thrower.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #84192 - 18/08/07 09:42 AM

470 NE is my tolerance.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: bonanza]
      #84209 - 18/08/07 03:53 PM


IF the stock fits me and IF the gun is not too light I find I do pretty well up to the 505 Gibbs
I like the 416 Taylor, 404 Jeffery and 375 H&H about the best of them all, because they work REALLY WELL on game, and they don't hurt me at all to shoot. I can shoot bigger, and shoot them well, but I see no reason to.
In muzzleloaders, I LIKE the 8 bore. Bigger is too much for me.
I won't fire the 4s anymore, and I am going to make a 2 bore for a gentleman soon, but I won't even think about firing it. That's going to be his job.


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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: szihn]
      #84233 - 19/08/07 03:43 AM

The last rifle I bought (just last week ) is a Savage 93R17 in a pretty varigated laminated thumbhole stock. I installed a 4.5x14 Leupold Vari-X III. It's a 17HMR I'm HOPING the recoil won't be too much more than my Kimber 17Mach2. The biggest bore (does not necessarily equate to biggest recoil) rifle I have owned and hunted with (meaning I could tolerate the recoil) was a 470NE Merkel Double. I have owned 3 300Win Magnums and could not tolerate the recoil on any of them. I had 35 Whelen Model 54 Winchester that I enjoyed shooting and Heym straight pull in the same caliber I could not tolerate. Both fit me very well. I currently have 4 375H&H's and shoot them extensively (at least 3 of them) usually 20/30 rounds at a session. One is a custom Model 70 in a Dave Miller laminate. One is a custom Mauser with an integral quarter rib barrel (barrel was done by Dave Miller) in a custom stock from a Dave Miller blank. One is a Brno ZKK 602 that has been extensively customized. All three of these rifles fit me perfectly as I have made sure of that. The 4th is a stock Ruger No1 that also fits perfectly as I am pretty lucky that most standard stocks fit. The Ruger is hardy tolerable. I have often pondered this very question of recoil over the last 50 or so years I've been building rifles and thought for some time it was the recoil impulse cycle but that was easily disproved with both the 35 Whelens and the 375's. Finally dawned on me some rifles just kick more than others. I came to this conclusion because I have NEVER fired a 300Win that was NOT uncomfortable to fire. I just buy them and shoot them and if I can't take it (meaning it HURTS) I sell them. What constitutes hurt? I can't answer that question either but as the Justice said I know it when I feel it. So what is my 'recoil tolerance', I have no idea. I can probably tolerate hurt but again to what degree. I have finally decided with this thread that if it hurts I'm no longer going to tolerate it.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: zimhunter]
      #84237 - 19/08/07 05:11 AM

I tolerate 300 mags but dislike 300 Wby's.I dislike 340 Wby's just as much.
I shoot but don't like the recoil of my 300 ultra-it hurts!!

I sold a 300-378 Wby that I had shot without the MB with 200gr hot loads- that sucker was an eye opener!

I like shooting my 500 NE on a limited basis-6-8 shots is fine.I shoot my 458WM without distress.My 416 seems a bit stouter than the 458-

I am guessing its not the poundage but recoil velocity that I dislike about the calibers above--The stocks seemed to fit well.

Maybe its mental-my wife would agree to that!!

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #84270 - 19/08/07 11:32 PM

I agree with Zimhunter. Each gun is an unknown till it is touched off. If it hurts, sell it or give it to a "friend".

A curious thought came to mind that if I could only tolerate 4-10 shots of a given rifle per session I would get very bored indeed with the gun as I like to shoot and don't care much for wallhangers. Having said that, I also realize that there are rifles that serve a purpose that must necessarily also include really stout recoil and thus place a severe limitation on the amount of the caliber that can be reasonably shot. How a guy develops reflexive skill with a gun that can be shot only 8 times per session I do not know, except for the proven method of dryfiring and "Swedish Drill" over a long period of time combined with shooting those 8 shots repeatedly over that long period of time, assuming a really wicked flinch doesn't become part of the instinctive shooting response.

I KNOW there are guys that do amazing thing with heavy rifles. What I am about to detail are bits about the others...

A couple PH's I have spoken and many I have read have referred to the poor shooting of many clients with Big'uns. I guess I might be able to attest to the veracity of their described scenarios from my experience this side of the Pond since I used to outfit a lot of guys going over to Africa.

It went like this:

May 1: .458 rifle purchased along with three boxes of ammo, one FMJ, two SP.

May 28: Trip to range. Ten rounds total fired with attempts to actually see the sights or crosshairs becoming quite difficult after 3 shots due to "EJS"* syndrome. Shooting takes place at 50 yards on a 25 meter .22 bullseye. Shooter says 2 shots in the black and is pretty sure the other eight shots landed within the county.

June 7: Shooter's trip back into the gunshop to discuss the upcoming hunt and comment on the metaphysical certitude of the existence of purgatory on earth with firsthand knowledge that it can be found standing behind a .458 rifle at Muddy Grove rifle range.

June 15: Second trip to rifle range: 11 more rounds fired, last two with cheek 1 inch away from the comb. Severe and unconquerable flinch accompanies each and every shot. Since target is now set up at 25 yards and consists of the front page of the Detroit Free Press opened up with a swipe of Magic Marker placed at the center fold, three shots fall on the paper, remaining shots kick up dust on neighbor's targets three positions down to left and two to the right. Rifle zero considered "On" for "close range" "Dangerous Game Stopping".

June 20: Two more boxes {one solid, one soft} ammo purchased. Very little said about upcoming hunt except that the flight is sure to be long and boring.

July 28-August 11: The Hunt. "Somewhere in Deepest Darkest Africa".

August 20: Return to gunshop. First sight of client indicates possible effects of narcotics, second glance reveals merely an exaggerated swagger caused by over-extention of chest. Dress consists of new rugger shorts, barely scuffed pair of vellies and knee-length "Free State socks". Conversation dotted with words and phrases like "backup", "chimbuzi", "musolani iko wapi", "charge", "sundowners", "bwana wa mungu", "mate", "bloke", "mtoto", "now-now" and "Those When-We's...".

I smile and ask to see the pictures. A well-framed photo of a dead buffalo is produced. A nice one. More interrogation indicates a slight hint of substantial PH involvement. This hint is reinforced by the photo where the PH can be seen squatting next to the buffalo, he obviously avoiding the touching of the scalding hot barrel of his rifle.

This was my experience at the gunshop many years ago.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #84272 - 20/08/07 01:06 AM

CLASSIC!

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: 5Bshooter]
      #84281 - 20/08/07 03:41 AM

9-3,
That's priceless! I love it.

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