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mickey
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What's with those Berets?
      #5153 - 24/11/03 03:40 PM

I've been reading a book by John Kingsley-Heath about African Hunting in the '50's, 60's and 70's. It has allot of pictures of other PH's and Clients and almost all of them are wearing Berets. I remember a Capstick Video where he says he liked Berets also.

What's with that?

Anybody know?

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: mickey]
      #5154 - 24/11/03 04:40 PM

I can't say as I don't really know. Perhaps it's a throwback to the military days of the 50's, and 60's when a lot of British troops & special forces wore the beret as part of their everyday uniform. For myself, I'd rather wear an old, beat up baseball cap-much better for keeping the sun off my forehead, and shades the eyes.

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: mickey]
      #5155 - 24/11/03 04:52 PM

A book? I'm pretty sure it is his only book. I thought you didn't need to learn anything?

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: Will]
      #5162 - 25/11/03 01:33 AM

I told you it had allot of pictures.

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: mickey]
      #5168 - 25/11/03 11:00 AM

What else does the chic hunter wear when he wishes to hunt with panache?!

I wouldn't be seen dead without a beret in Africa.



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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: NitroX]
      #5178 - 25/11/03 01:01 PM

I don't know man. I wouldn't want to be confused with a French dancer.:o

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: mickey]
      #5256 - 28/11/03 06:08 PM

Mickey,

Watch what you say about people wearing berets. Alot of SF units still wear them
and damn proud of it, whatever colour - red, green or Sandy Beige.

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #5276 - 29/11/03 04:45 AM

That's why I asked. Are they a macho thing or do they serve a purpose?

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: mickey]
      #5289 - 30/11/03 04:19 AM

QUOTE: That's why I asked. Are they a macho thing or do they serve a purpose? :UNQUOTE

I believe they are only a macho fasion statement, for the most part! The one worn by Capstick had a metel madalion on it that reflected flashes of light like a signal mirror! Berets do not shade the eyes, so I don't know why anyone would want to wear one to hunt in!

I've always hunted before in a Baseball type cap, but have just had cancer surgery, and have been advised to wear a broad brimmed hat, and long sleeves from now on! I have my Dad's Stetson 5X beaver safari hat, with a real zebra hat band, and turned down fore, and aft, like Stuart Granger's, in "king Solomon's Mines"! Now I guess I'll be ridiculed for trying to make a fasion statement in the hunting pictures from now on!

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #5294 - 30/11/03 09:39 AM

I reckon this will allow you to test your mental toughness also.




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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #5322 - 01/12/03 09:38 PM

In reply to:

with a real zebra hat band, and turned down fore, and aft, like Stuart Granger's, in "king Solomon's Mines"!




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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: NitroX]
      #5333 - 02/12/03 01:53 AM

Speaking of Stuart Granger, I was reading a book over the weekend where a PH speaks of meeting him all alone in a camp in the bush. It seems Stuart had brought an atractive young companion on safari and she and the PH he hired had took off together, leaving him by himself for, at that point, 3 days.

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: mickey]
      #5340 - 02/12/03 02:49 AM

Apart from the "macho image" it's other advantage is that it can be easily carried either in the shoulder strap of your shirt or your pants pocket.With a hat or cap you are always looking for a place to put it down when not in use.

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: iqbal]
      #5344 - 02/12/03 09:59 AM

Even though I joked about them earlier they really are a useless hat. Personally I don't like wearing a hat at all and wear one for its insulation or shade benefits when necessary which a beret doesn't really give much of. Under a hot sun they do not look very useful.

Didn't they start off as a uniform requirement for tank crews and I suppose airborne and special forces adopted them also because they could be squashed up and still worn as Iqbal mentions.

Also some were designed to fit over a small helmet for tank crews.

I think the African hunters wearing one would have done so because maybe they had them from old units or for their 'look' and association with those units.


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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: NitroX]
      #379148 - 07/09/23 05:26 PM

Gentlemen, do you wear a beret? Would you wear a beret on safari?

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: NitroX]
      #379156 - 07/09/23 11:29 PM

No. I cant see where they serve any purpose of a hat at all. They do look cool though.

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: degoins]
      #379159 - 07/09/23 11:46 PM

I used to wear one a lot. Held the sweat (it created) and my hair out of my eyes and head from getting pricked by thorns and such. No blockage of vision like some hats do.

I wonder what the locals would say here in Idaho if I rooted around and found one and sported it along?



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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #379228 - 09/09/23 08:50 PM

Berets are for parade grounds...

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: Marrakai]
      #379230 - 09/09/23 09:36 PM

Quote:

Berets are for parade grounds...




Tony, come on, you look like a beret kind of hunting guy to me.

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: NitroX]
      #379231 - 09/09/23 09:44 PM

What colour for hunting?

Not blue!

Red?
Green?
Black?
Sand?

How does a beret stay on? Do they require hair clips to stay on?

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: NitroX]
      #379242 - 10/09/23 09:28 AM

A beret is OK for some purposes, and bad for others. Its warmer in cold weather than an Akubra and stays put in the wind. Doesn't snag as you push through scrub. In hot weather it keeps the sun off the bald spot, unfortunately it gives no protection to the ears, neck or face nor does it keep the sun, or rain, out of the eyes.

Note, the common baseball hat doesn't do any better except for keeping the sun off the eyes, the semi-circular cut out at the back becomes a major risk factor for skin cancer (as I found out after having a large one cut off) and the lack of side protection is leading to skin cancers on the ears.

I personally prefer a wide brim hat and one day may even experiment with a pith helmet. But I don't belittle others who make different choices.


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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: iqbal]
      #379243 - 10/09/23 01:07 PM

Quote:

Apart from the "macho image" it's other advantage is that it can be easily carried either in the shoulder strap of your shirt or your pants pocket.With a hat or cap you are always looking for a place to put it down when not in use.




The froggy french poofter hat (ROFL) we use to call it in Army Reserve unit. We were affiliated with a Scottish Higland Regiment and wore the Slouch Hat if overseas otherwise the Tam O'Shanter or as the military cut is called The Balmoral Bonnet. Either one (Berret or Tam O'shanter) would not be good for much as far as hunting goes. The baseball cap I wear have a protective flap that covers the ears and neck. Bit like the French Legionnaires hat.

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: Hunter4752001]
      #379245 - 10/09/23 03:24 PM

Quote:

A beret is OK for some purposes, and bad for others. Its warmer in cold weather than an Akubra and stays put in the wind. ....

I personally prefer a wide brim hat and one day may even experiment with a pith helmet. But I don't belittle others who make different choices.




Last sentence, it's called humour. If one is going to wear a beret here without a sweet Parisian frock, ones going to have to have a tough hide.

Same as a manly pith helmet.

I use a broad brimmed wool based hat forcool weather and rain. I bought this gaucho hat in the Andes of Peru. Too hot for Summer. The rabbit skin Akubras for summer.

A pity helmet should be a decent hat. Air can circulate around the scalp. Should be cooler. Getting a usable pith helmet with a chin strap keeps it on. I'm going to try one.

Berets. Yes for those of us with thinning hair or bald patches, a hat can keep one warmer.

If your regiment has one, it can be worn with pride.

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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: NitroX]
      #379246 - 10/09/23 03:34 PM

From how to wear a French beret. I agree.


Matching your beret to your hairstyle.

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Match yourberet with a matching neck ribbon.


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Re: What's with those Berets? [Re: NitroX]
      #379247 - 10/09/23 03:36 PM

Of course Peter Hathaway Capstick is problem the most famous hunter I can think of wearing a beret.

But I'm sure some French hunters probably did as well.

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