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"Anyone who thinks they can operate a non ejector as fast as an ejector double,
does not know how to use the ejector gun properly IMO."

Speak for yourself.

I use multiple DR's both with and without Ejectors and through practice have learnt
to reload an Extractor gun NEARLY as fast as an Ejector gun. It takes a lot of practice to
become proficent in the reloading method but it is very fast and removes much of the
"double handling" (moving your hands around the gun) you sometimes see when
users are relaoding.

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500,
Yes, I am speaking for myself.
You see like yourself I also spent a lot of time practicing and perfecting field reloading extractor doubles untill I too could load them almost as fast as ejector guns.
But I didn't stop there.
Instead I then spent years practicing and perfecting field reloading EJECTOR guns.
IMO ejectors are superior when dealing with Dangerous Game which is what this thread is supposed to be dealing with.

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Tipping the gun up far enough to ensure the empties fall free immediately, requires a rotation to the side as well as tipping the barrels skyward. The whole thing then has to be brought back down and rotated back into line.

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With an ejector gun, however, the barrels can remain pointed at the quarry during the whole operation. Down; open; reload; up; fire.

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I really haven't encountered a situation where I had to reload my DR at top speed.

On the other hand, with what little wingshooting experience I have, I find ejectors help with getting back into battery. I've used both ejectors and extractors on my shotguns. I'll take ejectors over extractors. Now let me say that a shotgun shell isn't going to slide out of the chamber like a tapered brass shell. You've got to give them a tug.

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John Taylor wrote that he favored extractors. His reason was the sound of the ejector. He went to great length to explain that DG quarry generally will not locate the hunter from the sound of the shot. He was emphatic that the DG quarry would instantly pinpoint the "ping" of an ejector, and the hunter could thereby meet his Maker. He went so far as to say that his practice was to disable ejectors in any rifle so equipped. In summary, my point is that he was not basing his conclusion on the speed of reloading, but on the silence of that operation. That's a totally different criteria from what is being discussed here. As an aside, let me say I can't explain why an elephant would be confused by a rifle shot but would pinpoint the sound of an ejector. Taylor was of strong conviction on that point.

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But it sure makes my curious mind wonder why the great British makers of large bore DR's persisted in putting ejectors on them if ejectors were sure death in a fray.

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One last thing about Taylor. Through most of his book he bad-mouths single triggers. I agree. I hate them. I have little or no experience compared to Taylor, but DT's are hard-wired into my brain stem. If I shoot a ST gun the first shot goes off, then I find myself yanking the rear of the trigger guard. I think Taylor would have done this with a vengence.

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I, also, do not like single triggers, even on shotguns. Like you, I also find myself pulling at the back of the trigger guard. That is not the real reason I will NOT have a single trigger on a dangerous game double. Here I will be hearing about all the compition guys who use them for thousands of rounds without a malfunction, but that doesn't hold water, they may never break on a double rifle either, but if they do, JUST ONCE, you are left with a 10 lb club, instead of a single shot rifle! NOW, I ask you which would you rather with an EL closeing on you fast, a 10 lb club, or a big bore single shot rifle? A clay pigeon flying off into the brush, isn't going to hurt anyone.

Now! I'll open another can of worms here, THE AUTO SAFETY I will not have one on a double of mine, that is used for a DGR!

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Submitted in dark ignorance,
Curl

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I don't believe that Curl! Nobody that has owned as many fine double rifles as you could be in the dark on their features, or their use! One doesn't have to go to Africa to learn to use a double rifle on game, and in many cases, like hog hunting, re-load fast to take more than one animal out of a mob! Australia is not the only place where there are big mobs of wild boar to be had with a double. Hell there are thousands of them in East Texas, alone, with no bag limit!

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DUGABOY1, and MacD37 founding member of DRSS www.doublerifleshooterssociety.com
"If I die today, I have had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"

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