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Hagn Falling Block double rifle
      #41019 - 08/11/05 07:50 PM

Saw a thread on AR recently where the Hagn Falling Block double rifle was mentioned.

Cut and paste and I attempted to enhance these scans.










Does anyone know anything about them?



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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: Ezine]
      #41029 - 09/11/05 12:27 AM

sure looks good, I saw a picture of a similar rifle a while ago on a website. I don't know any of the history on them though.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: Ezine]
      #41660 - 16/11/05 08:18 AM

The Hagn falling block double rifle was featured in an article in Double Gun Journal quite a few years ago.

Interestingly, I have run across an Austrian rifle of similar design while surfing the web:







How do you like that one???? I suppose it's true that "There's nothing new under the sun."

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Note: These pics are from www.micksguns.com.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: Ezine]
      #41662 - 16/11/05 08:24 AM

P.S.

I just looked through my stacks of Double Gun Journal issues. The article about the Hagn double falling block appears in Vol. 9, No. 2, Summer 1998.

The pictures above are scans from that article.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #41685 - 16/11/05 01:01 PM

Is there any chance of getting a readable scan of that magazine?

I looked through my stack but it was before I subscribed.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #42084 - 21/11/05 11:31 PM

I saw it at the Gunmaker Guild show a few years ago, very impressive. But the rear sight is too close to the eye.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: vigillinus]
      #42151 - 22/11/05 02:15 PM


Nitro

Those might be the scans of the article I emailed to a couple of guys a month or so ago. If you want I can lend you that edition of the DGJ and you can do some decent copies. Let me know and I'll post it to you.

Cheers.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #42203 - 23/11/05 05:55 AM

NitroX,

I don't have a scanner. The best I could do was to photograph the individual pages of the article. Here they are. Be patient, as they are large files.

Page 1

Page 2

Page 3

Page 4

I hope this is of interest to some.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #71287 - 12/02/07 06:31 AM

BTTT

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #71303 - 12/02/07 10:19 AM

Is the first flip up sight supposed to act as a peep sight? Seems a bit far forward...

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: bulldog563]
      #71309 - 12/02/07 12:22 PM

I love that Hagan! Too bad Ruger won't attempt one.

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Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: bonanza]
      #127715 - 22/02/09 09:33 AM

Here it is.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: bonanza]
      #127721 - 22/02/09 11:35 AM

I do like the idea of a falling block double for a smallbore, especially a rimfire. Heck, could be neat to build one which fires both barrels at the same time!
Is a falling block be inherently heavier than a break action double of the same caliber? Anybody know what that Hagn weighed?

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: Huvius]
      #127722 - 22/02/09 11:57 AM

So there you go.

Now we know what a best quality, properly designed falling block double will look like. This rifle is probably a $15 to $25 thousand dollar piece. A bare bones unit could probably be made for $10,000.

Why are not there any. Good question.

I love my break action doubles, but would buy one of these over a Merkel for the same price.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: bonanza]
      #127739 - 22/02/09 07:07 PM

And me Bonanza, I'm going to call Martin on Monday ! best, Mike

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: bonanza]
      #127773 - 23/02/09 02:05 AM

There is something about a break action double that another type of gun just doesn't have. I have no idea how many times I have stood at a skeet station with my shotgun broken open and hanging over my shoulder, waiting for my turn, but it's a fairly astronomical number. The same holds true about the number of times I have crossed a fence with my double gun broken open. Somehow, other types of guns are just clumsy and unwieldy. I suppose that is why I could never warm up to the Darne action shotgun.

For me, the "African carry" with my double rifle was always the same as with my shotgun, broken open and over my shoulder, with rounds in the chamber. Granted, I have never hunted in deep brush, where trash or twigs were likely to find their way into the action, but that carry served me well each time I used it.

Then there is the question of reloading. A double gun broken open for reloading fairly invites the cartridges into the chamber. The barrels are close to vertical, the chambers gaping open, and the rounds merely need to be dropped in. With a falling block action, the barrels are horizontal and the rounds have to be guided into the chambers.

The falling block double makes sense the same way the bolt action double makes sense, but neither is my cup of tea.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: xausa]
      #127777 - 23/02/09 02:35 AM

Looks nice but not for me.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: xausa]
      #127778 - 23/02/09 02:38 AM

I can't understand why Gibbs or Jeffery never made this leap in the 1880s and 1890s if the Farquharson was the poor man's double or back-up rifle of the time? I guess it was just quick enough to reload as a single compared to a 4-bore muzzle loader.... who knows... The demand for those now would be immense!

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #146293 - 20/11/09 02:03 PM

Bad news. I emailed them today to inquire about the falling block double:

Hi Trevor ,

No we are not selling any . as a matter of fact only one was ever made . We are very busy filling singleshot orders and there is not enough time to move into the double falling block .

Mandy Martini

I also inquired further:

Hi Trevor ,

Yeah , alot of other people feel the same way . A few years back we had a list of about 15 people seriously committed to the rifle . Just so busy with the single shots .

Kind regards
Mandy

To bad, I really really liked the idea.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: tkv000]
      #146316 - 21/11/09 02:54 AM

Trev,

Now that ralf MArtini and Martin Hagn have each gone their own ways, I wonder if you may be able to get the same rifle made by Hagn if you asked him? In any case, AFAIK, the manufacture of the actions had been contracted to Hartman and Weiss for a time - not sure if it still is. But they may also be able to build a double rifle for you if they still build the actions, I guess.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #146558 - 24/11/09 11:48 AM

Mehul,

Interesting bit of info, I had no idea, I followed on this information and found the following:

"The concept of creating his own single shot rifle came about on an Alaskan hunting trip in 1973. He was accompanied by a gunsmithing school chum by the name of Gerhard Hartmann, founder, with Otto Weiss, of the respected firm of Hartmann & Weiss, Hamberg. Hartmann was shooting his company's version of the Heeren single shot rifle, an older design that a few different German and English gunmakers had used. Hagn told Hartmann, "I will make a better one.""

"During this refinement period both Hagn and Hartmann & Weiss built actions and rifles on this design. The left side of the breech block of the rifle I wrote about in 2001 carries Hartmann & Weiss markings."

From: http://www.martiniandhagngunmakers.com/technicalinfo.htm

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: tkv000]
      #146587 - 24/11/09 10:19 PM

New website on the way
Seems the company is now Hagn Rifles and Actions http://hagnriflesandactions.com/
and Martini Gunmakers still at the old website.
Any idea if the split was amicable?

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #146624 - 25/11/09 04:59 AM

Trev,

Thanks for the updates. Yes, the Stephen Dodd Hughes article is a gem of information on the origins of the Hagn action. Many years ago, when I wrote an article for an Indian magazine, I had some communication with Martin Hagn. He wrote me a very nice hand-written letter about his actions and sent me black and white pictures of a 300 Win Mag rifle that he was building at the time. He told me that his was a "one man show" and that he built every part of every rifle that he sold himself. He used to offer bolt action rifles prior to my communication with him but stopped this when we communicated. I shall try and contact him and find out if he recalls our very pleasant communication from the early 1990s.

Jabali,

Thank you very much for posting Herr Hagn's new website. Personally, I feel that we should let the circumstances that caused the split be. Both the gentlemen in the former partnership are great gunmakers and we should find it more enriching to enjoy the fruit of their efforts than to look at whatever the reasons might have caused them to dissolve their partnership and go their independent ways.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: tkv000]
      #146993 - 01/12/09 04:39 AM

Quote:

Bad news. I emailed them today to inquire about the falling block double:

Hi Trevor ,

No we are not selling any . as a matter of fact only one was ever made . We are very busy filling singleshot orders and there is not enough time to move into the double falling block .

Mandy Martini

I also inquired further:

Hi Trevor ,

Yeah , alot of other people feel the same way . A few years back we had a list of about 15 people seriously committed to the rifle . Just so busy with the single shots .

Kind regards
Mandy

To bad, I really really liked the idea.



Well all you rich guys, here's your turn key business to VC. You have a demand that exceeds capacity, ready made market, and customers lined up. Start your own custom shop building these.

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Re: Hagn Falling Block double rifle [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #146999 - 01/12/09 08:36 AM

Quote:

New website on the way
Seems the company is now Hagn Rifles and Actions http://hagnriflesandactions.com/
and Martini Gunmakers still at the old website.
Any idea if the split was amicable?



Thanks for the info, its proved very useful.

I contacted Martin Hagn today, he states he would indeed build a falling block double based on his single shot falling block action! The price he states would be double that of a single shot (makes sense, its double everything in a single action basically) at $30,000.

I've asked for a list of calibers he could do in the falling block double, I'm hoping for 416 Rigby, its my favorite cartridge to shoot, and I think it would be a dream in this double. Details to follow if I hear back from him.

-Trev

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