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buckstix
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40 cal Rigby, Dublin - Big Bore ?? Rook & Rabbit Rifle ??
      #383104 - 05/03/24 01:21 PM

40 cal Rigby, Dublin - Big Bore ?? Rook & Rabbit Rifle Needle Gun

Hello All,

I bought this at auction a couple weeks back and was surprised at what I got. As you can see from the listing, I thought I was buying an early Rigby single shot "center-fire" cartridge gun. But, after some research, I found out it was a Needle Gun. Here are some of the references I found:

"... John Rigby & Company founded by John Rigby in 1775 in Dublin. His grandson, also John, opened a London branch in 1865. After conducting multiple experiments beginning in 1824, Prussian gunsmith Johann Nikolaus von Dreyse in 1836 produced the first complete needle fire gun and founded a firearms factory in the town. ... John Rigby and W.N.Norman's Patent No.899 of April, 1860. A very early breech loading patent that used paper needle fire shells. The breech is opened by lifting the bolt straight up which un-threads a shaft that fits into the barrel, thus holding the barrel tight on face when shut. These distinctive rook rifles were based on part of the Rigby & Norman patent (No. 899 of 1860) and were described by Rigby in their records as ‘Improved Needle Rifle’ and marketed as “The Bijou”. .... Octagonal barrel with full length matted top flat signed “JOHN RIGBY & CO. DUBLIN” and fitted with a bead front sight and rear sight of one standing notch sight and two folding leaves graduated to “150” yards ... The breech end of the barrel a separate piece which is casehardened and engraved with foliate scrollwork. Casehardened border and scroll engraved action signed “JOHN RIGBY & CO.” on the left side, and with blued flat lever for the screw breech with checkered tip and blued hammer with long ‘needle’ firing pin. Casehardened trigger guard and butt plate engraved ... the forearm with key fastener and shaped green horn tip ... Birmingham black powder proof marks..."

That's why there is no extractor because the intended paper wrapped cartridge is totally consumed upon firing.
The first set of pictures show detail about the rifle.

Since I always intend to shoot every gun I own, I set about developing a way to shoot this interesting rifle. Rather than making paper cartridges like the originals from the 1850's, I set about producing metallic cartridges that would work in their place. It took about 20 hours to produce 10 centerfire cartridges for the rifle. I had to create a special "dual head" cartridge to fit into the recess of the screw-bolt's face. In addition, the small raised head also allows a "fingernail grab" to remove the spent cartridge after firing.
The second set of pictures show the cartridge making process.

When loading for these old vintage antique rifles I always error on the conservative side. Note the engraved bullet that stopped 1/2" short of making it out of the barrel. That was from the first conservative loading with 1.5g Unique. After the load was increased to 2g, all left the barrel as intended. I love shooting a 165 year old rifle that likely stayed dormant for over a hundred & twenty five years.
The third set of pictures show the shooting results.

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Marrakai
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Re: 40 cal Rigby, Dublin - Big Bore ?? Rook & Rabbit Rifle ?? [Re: buckstix]
      #383105 - 05/03/24 02:12 PM

Well I'll be stuffed!!

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Re: 40 cal Rigby, Dublin - Big Bore ?? Rook & Rabbit Rifle ?? [Re: Marrakai]
      #383113 - 05/03/24 05:36 PM

So COOL! Well designed & executed, Buckstix.
What a rifle design!!

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Re: 40 cal Rigby, Dublin - Big Bore ?? Rook & Rabbit Rifle ?? [Re: DarylS]
      #383138 - 06/03/24 04:32 AM

hello buckstix, you know this was build for the 75 gauge Eley needly fire cartridge.









https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=101302686


there was also a 90 ga and a 110 ga cartridge
someone change the needle against a firing pin or it was simply worn out and look like a firing pin today.
you find an excellent solution to make a case that works in the chamber but imho, this rifle is blackpowder only.
the hollow base is a special Rigby improvement for this cartridges. the walls have an undercut and the later version of the paper case had a thin brass foil inside ( the british love paper and brass foil rolled together). when fired the base of the case was blowing out and stick in the hollow base of the breech. when open the rifle you can take it away with your fingers. the older version of this rifle with a plain breech had a seperate steel hook with each ammo box to remove the case because in this action the case was not blowing out of the barrel when fired. you need a special hollow breech like in the prussian military rifle so gas coming behind the paper case to get it out of the barrel.

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Re: 40 cal Rigby, Dublin - Big Bore ?? Rook & Rabbit Rifle ?? [Re: lancaster]
      #383143 - 06/03/24 07:21 AM

A labour of love Buckstix!
Sure paid off & marvellously done to get this old dear talking again!
Lancaster you are a fountain of knowledge finding those old original rounds.


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buckstix
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Re: 40 cal Rigby, Dublin - Big Bore ?? Rook & Rabbit Rifle ?? [Re: 93x64mm]
      #383229 - 08/03/24 09:24 AM

Yes, I get a lot of satisfaction from bringing an old relic back to life.

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