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Waidmannsheil
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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #301174 - 02/06/17 04:37 PM

I spoke to the people at Centrefire Australia today and they gave me a price range of between AUD$5800 and $6200 depending on the model. Prices vary according to the exchange rate and they don't keep any stock, therefore it is a six month wait from when you place an order.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #301176 - 02/06/17 05:00 PM

Satterlee would be looking good to me especially as the have the cartridge feed and mag box done for your cartridge.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #301371 - 05/06/17 01:04 PM

Bidyanus1, (it's hard to believe there is a Bidyanus2), Zastava is the only one to still mass produce milled new Mauser actions available to the western world. A large ring Mauser is stronger and better suited to magnum cartridges.
You can find an FN Husqvarna for the price of the action alone and have a solid starting point for a classic rifle.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #301377 - 05/06/17 03:24 PM

Mausers 98's made before WWII, and I believe perhaps even some made into the 50's and 60's were basically made of a soft Tool steel that had the surface carburizes and gardened a few thousandths of an inch deep. Even so, the better hardened pre war mausers, such as VZ-24's usually stand up to even magnum pressures pretty well. With our modern steels that are used to make barrels and actions, small ring mausers tolerate the highest pressure rounds with relative ease. Some might argue that when such steels do give way, they are brittle, and don't protect the shooter in the same way that Paul Mauser intended. This may be true, but it takes one incredible hell of an overload to reck a modern steel action anyway, large or small ring.

The allure of a small ring, for most folks, is the little bit of weight savings afforded by slightly slimmer stocks and barrels. Some folks don't care one way or the other, and some do. I say do what tickles you. I like the slightly thinner lines a small ring can net. Classic commercial sporters such as the post WWI Kar 98az action sporters, the Huskvarna model 46 (m96 swede action), BRNO 21, etc, all make for sexy, skinny, and often lightweight sporting rifles.

Edited by ColoradoMatt1 (05/06/17 03:38 PM)

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #301379 - 05/06/17 04:12 PM

I want to build a lightweight (hence the small ring) M98 20" barrel in 30'06.
I know in the past Ruger made one but they are few and far between
I know in reality its neither here nor there but I prefer the genuine control round feed of the M98 rather than the push feed, or those that say they are CRF but in fact are not eg Ruger, SAKO
Ive thought about the CZ but as far as I can see they are only in 308. Some may say if I hit something in the right place the 308 will do the job a 30:06 will do. I know that, but I dont want a 308. I want a lightweigh M 98 20" barrel in 30;06
yes I know it will be loud
I know the recoil will be heavy
I know it will cost lots of money
But Im told old to be carrying a a full length sporter in the bush all day

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #301400 - 05/06/17 07:54 PM

As far as I am aware CZ made 270 and 30-06. These actions were a floor plate mag not the detachable mag of the 308 family. Now whether they were brought into Australia I do not know but presume they were as I remember the adds in one of the shooting mags.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Rule303]
      #301423 - 06/06/17 05:10 AM

They were brought into Australia not that long ago. You could also get them in 9.3x62 as I remember having a look at one.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #301429 - 06/06/17 05:33 AM

Bidyanus1 PM sent.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #301430 - 06/06/17 05:37 AM

With any luck you should be able to find a BRNO small ring model 21 or 22 action these are about the finest small ring 98 ever made. They are the commercial version of the VZ33 and G3340.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #301436 - 06/06/17 07:01 AM

Stick with the Original German Mauser 98 (or magnum length actions). Magnum actions are made by Precht for Mauser and barreled actions are used by UK Rigby.

I know Granite mountain arms actions have tight tolerances which defeats one of the main attributes of the '98 design: Slop to reduce binding by contaminates. I also understand the US market doesn't understand this and requires tight tolerances.

There was a new complete .416 Rigby Mauser magnum for sale in Brisbane about ten years ago for A$14K.

Try Myalls again. A gun show with lots of 'dreamers' is not the place to get serious. You may have to go in with a deposit. A barreled action maybe easier than an action to import.

Edited by tophet1 (06/06/17 07:04 AM)

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #301442 - 06/06/17 09:59 AM

I want to build a light weight, 20" barrel M 98 in 30:06. That's why Im looking for the small ring. Ruger made a lightweight a while ago but dont make them anymore and they are few and far between secondhand. Also the ruger, despite the claims is push feed. I just love the Control Round Feed of the Mauser. CZ make a 20" carbine but as best as I can see in Australia you can only get the 308. I dont want a 308, I want a 30:06.
Why lightweight? Because Im too old to be carrying a full weight sporting through the bush all day.
Pete

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #301443 - 06/06/17 10:02 AM

Oh and thanks again for all the feedback
Pete

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #301455 - 06/06/17 05:05 PM

Gryphon
Ive replied to your PM

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #301459 - 06/06/17 07:54 PM

A repeat post. Please disregard, night shifts and lack of snooze time can do that to me.

Edited by Rule303 (08/06/17 12:39 PM)

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Rule303]
      #301465 - 07/06/17 01:41 AM

I have a BRNO 22H in 7X64. The action will easily accommodate a .30-'06 length cartridge. I don't know how common such rifles are in OZ, but I would think that a complete rifle would sell for less than most of the custom actions mentioned in this thread. The only thing that needs alteration with the action is the bolt handle, which despite its appearance, will not allow for a low mounted scope.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: xausa]
      #301472 - 07/06/17 05:13 AM

Xausa is right,
though I must add that low scope mounting depends on the type of bolt handle.

There are M21 BRNO´s with the same bolt handle type as known from the ZG47.

And there is a lot of room for mounting a scope very low without any alteration


Edited by justcurious (07/06/17 05:14 AM)

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: justcurious]
      #301505 - 07/06/17 10:02 PM

What I have done 20 years ago:
M21 action (modified bolthandle-was of Mannlicher Type before- Bottom Metal Argentine 09 ),
.30-06, slim contoured barrel,
Original sope mount(allsteel).
To my view you should go for a BRNO M21 and save a lot of money against a new made action.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: justcurious]
      #301517 - 08/06/17 01:19 AM

Justcurious,

What a gorgeous little rifle! Everything is perfect.

Thanks for sharing.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: redoak]
      #301540 - 08/06/17 01:17 PM

That is spectacular. I love open grips.

Was the depth of the magazine box reduced? If so, I like it! Tastefully done.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #301604 - 10/06/17 10:49 AM

Also have a look for a Parker hale or BSA rifle. These used Mauser type actions from1950s through to the 1980s. Can be a little rough at first but soon smooth up. Friend has a couple from early 1970s, I have a Rigby of similar vintage and save for the name and styling of the stock they are the same rifle.

Old BRNOs also worth a look.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: HeymSR20]
      #301605 - 10/06/17 11:53 AM

Yes, Justcurious, that is a wonderful rifle.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Grenadier]
      #347056 - 23/11/20 05:36 AM

Well, did the short, small ring Mauser in ‘06 ever get built? If so, let’s see and hear about it!

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: xausa]
      #347078 - 24/11/20 02:25 AM

Quote:

I have a BRNO 22H in 7X64. The action will easily accommodate a .30-'06 length cartridge. I don't know how common such rifles are in OZ, but I would think that a complete rifle would sell for less than most of the custom actions mentioned in this thread. The only thing that needs alteration with the action is the bolt handle, which despite its appearance, will not allow for a low mounted scope.






Another excellent rifle. All of the rifles you've shown us from your collection have the same things in common: a quality piece, in excellent condition, and a good, solid working rifle, devoid of excessive decoration. Very impressive.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: vykkagur]
      #347079 - 24/11/20 02:27 AM

And I can't believe I've just gotten to the bottom of this entire thread before I realized that it's over three years old. Sorry!

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: vykkagur]
      #347258 - 28/11/20 10:56 AM

I read that H and H made some Magnum 98 actions [that is cutting a standard length 98 action, and lengthening it ] also someone in the U.S made a about half a dozen that way .
There is info on shortening actions ,but not much to be found on lengthening them ,you would need a competent gunsmith, and one who is willing to do it ,who knows what he's doing e.g welding ,heat treatment etc .If I could find someone ,its something I would like to get done ,rather than paying the 5k and up prices for a Brand New action .
Would need ideally two actions made by the same manufacturer and in excellent condition ,and or two recent production actions .

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