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The Liberator and Henry Ford
      #315368 - 18/04/18 12:01 AM

B-24s Mass Produced



By Ford Motor Co.



The long hanger at Willow Run, Michigan has a 90 degree turn in it so Henry Ford would not have to pay taxes in the next county. That short end is being saved and restored today as a museum. The big hanger doors are still operational after all these years.



This is one of the best and most informative clips about a great American accomplishment, thanks to the Ford Motor Company during WWII. A Ford Airplane...AMAZING!



Production began here 6 months BEFORE Pearl Harbor! Henry Ford was determined that he could mass produce bombers just as he had with cars, so he built the Willow Run assembly plant and proved it. This was the world's largest building under one roof at the time. This film will absolutely blow you away -- one B-24 every 55 minutes -- and Ford had its own pilots to test them! And no recalls!



NEITHER ADOLF HITLER, NOR HIROHITO, HAD ANY IDEA THE U.S. WAS CAPABLE OF THIS KIND OF THING.



B-24 Liberator Willow Run Assembly Plant - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/embed/iKlt6rNciTo?rel=0

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Daryl_S]
      #315383 - 18/04/18 03:03 AM

THAT is really cool Daryl...

Thanks for posting this

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Ripp]
      #315386 - 18/04/18 05:01 AM

Very interesting and quite amazing. Still, the Germans did produce 35000 ME 109's during the war which was not a bad feat either seeing as they were getting the shit bombed out of them for part of that time.

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #315390 - 18/04/18 06:28 AM

Had a supercharger intake I got from a B24 when I was on Cocos Island ,there was still some remnants of one there ,most of all the remains there from WW2 ,were cleaned up in the 80s and taken out and dumped in the sea .There were a lot of Liberators on Biak Island in 1945, getting ready for the attack ,invasion of Japan, 1100 planes [different types] , then the Atomic bombs were dropped and they were no longer needed ,they were offered to the Dutch for Free ,but they didn't want them due to the high cost of maintaining, looking after them ,plus the fact jets were the future .
So they just put bulldozers through the whole lot of them ,scrap merchants evidently made lots of money of what was left ,supply ships waiting in the Harbours were sunk on the spot ,rather than sailing them home.


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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: 500Boswell]
      #315416 - 18/04/18 08:17 PM

Origins:

Ford Aviation



From General Motors:





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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315417 - 18/04/18 08:48 PM

More:

From cars to planes to cars:

Part One

Part Two

Part Three





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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315420 - 18/04/18 09:35 PM

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315428 - 19/04/18 04:57 AM

Great posters Brian, the artwork and the text was fantastic in those days. Thanks for posting.

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #315514 - 21/04/18 05:55 PM

As Henry Ford and his designers were bringing aluminum bodies to aircraft, a few others had the opposite idea:

Weymann American

This is a fabric bodied Stutz:

Stutz Monte Carlo

Weymann fabric bodied Duesenberg:

Duesie


It's a Duesie!

1930 Stutz Super Bearcat 32 Valve:

Stutz DV-32

A very interesting story behind this one:

Barn Found Bearcat

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315517 - 21/04/18 06:26 PM

An interesting one I read on B24s years ago , near the end of the war in 1945, a formation of B24s over Germany was approached by an unidentified aircraft [no body knew what it was ] , destroyed several B24s without guns ,the B24s exploded in flight ,it was later discovered after the War, the Germans had developed explosive gases [possibly what was used to power the Messerschmitt 163] when ingested by internal combustion engines, this gas caused them to explode .

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: 500Boswell]
      #315518 - 21/04/18 06:33 PM

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An interesting one I read on B24s years ago , the Germans had developed explosive gases [possibly what was used to power the Messerschmitt 163] when ingested by internal combustion engines, this gas caused them to explode .




Isn't such gas, itself, a byproduct of sauerkraut ingestion?


Gotta watch that blutwurst!

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315520 - 21/04/18 08:22 PM

I think I read the B24 "Liberator" was extremely prone to failure and resulted in the death of a tremendous number of allied fliers. I don't think it had a good record at all if that article was correct.

Mass produced Ford crap perhaps?

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315522 - 21/04/18 09:28 PM

Delicious, all three of them, particularly the Sauerkraut and the Blutwurst.

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: NitroX]
      #315537 - 22/04/18 09:32 AM

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I think I read the B24 "Liberator" was extremely prone to failure and resulted in the death of a tremendous number of allied fliers. I don't think it had a good record at all if that article was correct.

Mass produced Ford crap perhaps?




The Lib was not as robust as the B17 but could carry a heavier payload and had a longer range. The main problem was the design of the wing. It was designed to reduce drag so increase speed and range and lift at higher altitude. The design however made it susceptible to icing and made it unstable at lower speeds. The wings were basically fuel tanks so most hits in the wings were fuel tank hits. More B24 were produced than any other heavy bomber so something had to be working for them.


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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: NitroX]
      #315600 - 24/04/18 09:49 PM

Quote:

I think I read the B24 "Liberator" was extremely prone to failure and resulted in the death of a tremendous number of allied fliers. I don't think it had a good record at all if that article was correct.

Mass produced Ford crap perhaps?




The book was one of the two biographies of Louis Zamperini, whose story was featured in the movie "Unbroken".

I was amazed to read how many B-24's killed their crews and how many crews were killed in training in them.

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: NitroX]
      #315605 - 24/04/18 11:28 PM

B29s had a high unreliability rate ,when ready for take off on bombing runs ,had engine problems etc ,although Enola Gay and Bocks Car got off the ground the day they needed too

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: 500Boswell]
      #315606 - 24/04/18 11:37 PM

Back in those days[WW2] a lot of vehicles, planes,weapons etc were in their mechanical ''infancy '' ,so a lot had engineering problems ,when you had ideas, concepts, being developed that were New ideas, and in time of War things were rushed through in desperation to get them ''On Board'', things were bound to go wrong, even today ,there are mechanical contrivances that have problems ,bad engineering etc, even some guns are poorly engineered ,still being made that should be better ,just human nature at work ................

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: 500Boswell]
      #315639 - 25/04/18 08:17 PM

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B29s had a high unreliability rate ,when ready for take off on bombing runs ,had engine problems etc ,although Enola Gay and Bocks Car got off the ground the day they needed too




One of my Sparkletts (water) customers in Winslow, Arizona, years back was a man naned Sam Wheeler. Sam was a flight engineer on B29 #73, 'Strange Cargo', stationed at Tinian, and had been in rotation to deliver the 'packages'.

He and his wife were the nicest people and were among my favorite customers.


Sam Wheeler

B 29s Tinian





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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315644 - 25/04/18 11:58 PM

Tks for the link.

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315648 - 26/04/18 06:46 AM

Rothhammer1 thanks for the link. Some good reading in there.

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Rule303]
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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315666 - 26/04/18 08:42 PM



Two B24's collided over Death Valley, 04 August, 1944:
B24s Death Valley

Another went down near Lancaster on 24 August, 1944:
B24 Lancaster

A crash landing at Saline Valley (near Death Valley) 20 October, 1944:
B24 Saline

More:
List of SoCal Air Wrecks

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315667 - 26/04/18 09:02 PM

Here's a collection of photos from the site of another mid air collision of Liberators on 04 July, 1944, at least one of them a Ford:


B24 July 04

Here's the still extant wreckage of an early. pre WW2 B17C that broke up on a flight from Salt Lake City, Utah to Sacramento, Ca. 2 November, 1941:

B17C Wreckage

More:

Air Crash Sites

WW2 crash sites in National Parks:

Park Crashes

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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315707 - 27/04/18 08:20 AM

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Two B24's collided over Death Valley, 04 August, 1944:
B24s Death Valley

Another went down near Lancaster on 24 August, 1944:
B24 Lancaster

A crash landing at Saline Valley (near Death Valley) 20 October, 1944:
B24 Saline

More:
List of SoCal Air Wrecks




I do not see the problem with the Lib in the top photo. The pilot made a perfect 1 point landing


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Re: The Liberator and Henry Ford [Re: Rule303]
      #315739 - 27/04/18 09:59 PM

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I do not see the problem with the Lib in the top photo. The pilot made a perfect 1 point landing




With any luck, pilot and crew had bailed out.
I don't remember the story behind that one. It's a photo that I had stored unattributed.

It's a great photograph, anyway.

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