Bidyanus1
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Ok Team Mauser
as Ive still got my mauser training wheels on, where can one purchase in Australia a new commercial mauser 98 action ? Is that possible?
AND does anyone make a commercial small ring Mauser and can they be purchased?
thanks in anticipation
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gryphon
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Got wads of cash eh?
I can only suggest Mayfair Engineering (UK) need wads lol.
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Waidmannsheil
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There doesn't seem to be any agents or distributors for commercial Mauser actions here in Australia. Graeme Spragon used to bring in Reimer Johanson actions which were sold by Recknagel but that has stopped. GMA used to advertise here but had no distributor. I spoke to Mayfair engineering and they were more than happy to sell me an action if I organised all the import paperwork and shipping.
The most cost effective way would be for several people to buy some actions at the same time and therefore the paperwork and customs only has to be done once.
There are several importers who would be happy to do the importing.
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gryphon
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Yes but there`s always a BUT and in my case the Mayfair Magnum action priced 3-4 years ago was obscene then.
I can see why the pre loved ones get built on.
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Waidmannsheil
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When you say obscene I am not sure that I can agree there as manufacturing a Mauser action to original specs is a shit load of work. This is especially true if it is double square bridge as almost all of the action has to be milled. The same goes for the Mannlicher action and this is why neither have been manufactured in large numbers since decades. To be able to machine a complete Mauser action at current costs which you call unreasonable still requires machinery in excess of several million dollars and remember these are machined from billet, not forgings or castings. The many features of a Mauser/Mannlicher which we all love are what increase the price dramatically. DSB, third locking lug, C-ring, dovetailed claw extractor, Side mounted box ejector, full flange bolt shroud, large ring action, one piece magazine and floor plate, Oberndorf floorplate release, rotary magazine, separate bolt head with ejector and extractor etc. all add dramatically to the cost of manufacture.
This is why modern bolt actions don't have many or any of these features and are designed to be able to have as little milling as possible. A good example of that is the Remington 700 which is cheap to manufacture compared to a Mauser, however the fit and finish compared to something like a Mayfair action is shit in every way and it has none of the nice Mauser features.
I would argue that price is actually very reasonable, Mayfair quoted me about AUD$4200 a few years ago from memory and while I probably can't afford one either, that doesn't make it unreasonable. Unfortunately manufacturing small batches of reasonably complicated parts is not cheap.
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gryphon
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Thats about right as I got $4500 'depending'
You are in the game Matt and know far more than I do and I can only go on an engineer mate that is a true wizard and his synopsis of the manufacture was totally different.
One thing that I would disagree with is this line below as you cant tell me that the originators had any such machinery.
"still requires machinery in excess of several million dollars"
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Waidmannsheil
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Gryph, you are right that the originators did not have any CNC machinery as such machines did not exist at the time. What they did have is their own machine tool design and development department and made the majority of machine tools in house. These machines were usually purpose built for one specific machining operation and they would have many machines of different types to finish something like an action. Hundreds if not thousands of machines including operators were employed in these factories to be able produce large quantities of finished guns. The outlay would have been staggering but they were also supported by governments around the world placing huge orders. And if it wasn't government contracts then it was large numbers of sportsman. It must be remembered though that a Mauser or Mannlicher rifle even in their heyday cost shitloads more than Winchester, Remington or Savage bolt action rifles. The prices charged then were probably similar to now allowing for inflation.
Not sure how your friends Synopsis is that much different to mine as I have seen how these actions are made and it is mainly milling. Their design doesn't allow for much turning at all. Even when they were produced a century ago they were mainly milled. All the bits like DSB, third locking lugs, large ring receiver and raised guide ribs mean that milling must be employed rather than turning. There are quite a few film clips on YouTube showing the machining methods used and there are plenty of old photos of the machine shops in the old factories. Whether old or new, they weren't cheap to make.
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Rule303
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Isn't Mialls the agent for Mauser??
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CameronH
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Isn't Mialls the agent for Mauser??
Yep they are, I made an enquiry with one of their reps at the recent shot expo as to the availability and price of a double square bridge magnum Mauser action only but yet to hear a reply.
Cheers,
Cameron hatcher
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kuduae
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Another maker of new Standard and Magnum length double square bridge M98 Actions is Prechtl in Germany:
http://www.prechtl-waffen.de/home-cat225.html
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Waidmannsheil
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Gryph, here is an excample of the types of machines that Prechtl have in their workshop which they use to manufacture Mauser Actions.
http://www.prechtl-waffen.de/ber-uns-cat291.html
A quick translation:
3 Manual milling machines
6 CNC milling machines
2 Manual lathes
1 CNC lathe
1 Surface grinder
1 EDM Spark eroder (Another form of milling machine using electric current)
1 Engraving machine (More milling)
You can see the number of milling machines versus lathes, that why they cost heaps to make.
What we have been discussing above is mainly for Mauser actions, when you start talking Mannlicher Schoenauer type actions the degree of difficulty goes up several notches. Much of the internal action machining requires very specialised machines and/or tooling. They are very difficult to make.
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450_Ackley
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I'm lead to believe there might be an importer for GMA actions on the Sunshine Coast in QLD.
My Gunsmith is currently building a 404 on a LH Express Magnum action. Customer said he bought the action from the Sunshine Coast.
He's also doing a 7-08 Rem on a GMA Short Magnum action for a different customer, complete with Smithson mounts.
I'll ask him who the supposed importer is next time I'm there.
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Waidmannsheil
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450, thanks that would be very helpful.
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gryphon
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Matt I am about useless with anything metal except sending some down a tube and about all i can do is fabricate and weld and when I sent the Mayfair link to my cobber he really pooh poohed the price.
He has one of those "every fucking machine professional workshops" and uses it all including Mm`s he isn't a Fitter turner.
Hey all i`m going on was he the wizard simply said to me that the pricing wasn't proportionate to the work.
I know as above sfa re the manufacture.
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hawkhill
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You should add Georg Heinz's system 98 actions (www.fzh.gmbh.de) to your list of possible suppliers.
Dorleac has spoken positively of their actions. Also Ralph Martini has used their actions a fair bit. I am looking at Martin Hagn making me a rifle using one of their Magnum actions in takedown configuration.
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Bidyanus1
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Err....thanks team
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450_Ackley
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Ok, found out who the Australian Distributor for GMA actions is.
Centrefire Australia.
www.centrefireaustralia.com.au
Robert O'Reilly
PO Box 3492,
Tannum Sands QLD 4680
Phone - (07) 49 733535
Same guys that produce the Diesel and Dust magazine apparently.
Website is not much help on the actions, but does show they have them, so maybe an email might be in order if interested.
DC
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sbs470
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Granite Mountain Arms looks like they are still going.
they make a number of different length actions and also left hand models as well.
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Ash
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What about the Montana actions? I don't think they do a square bridge though..
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Waidmannsheil
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Ash, the Montana actions are based on a Winchester Model 70.
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Waidmannsheil
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450, thanks for that, I will give them a call today and get some prices and see what they are like to deal with. I will report back.
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Waidmannsheil
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Kuduae, thanks as well. I have tried both Prechtel and FZH in the past and at the time they were only interested in minimum orders of three actions at a time. Things might be different now, I might try them again.
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Satterlee arms makes intermediate, standard, and magnum length small ring actions in STEEL AND TITANIUM. The intermediate action is a clone of the small ring Mexican Mauser, but with square bridges. The standard length small ring is similar to BRNO M21, VZ33 and G33/40, but with square bridges. The magnum small ring is his own design, based on basic Mauser 98 design principles. His website has a lot of info, but is not up to date. Give him a call. He got severely back logged with orders several years ago, and pissed some folks off, but I believe he has smoothed out his operation. You may here folks talk crap about him, but I'd call and talk to him, voice any concerns you may have, and make your own decision. Satterlee actions come with the feed work for your designated cartridge already done to perfection. That's a huge plus!
http://satterleearms.com/375_length.htm
GMA makes a BRNO 21 type small ring action, but they don't advertise it on their website. Call them and ask about it.
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Bidyanus1
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Thankyou
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ColoradoMatt1
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Your welcome. Can you describe the custom rifle you would like to have built? It may be that a much less expensive and more common options can be found. Tell us what you are aiming for.
Matt
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