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JackKnife
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Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome
      #2852 - 19/05/03 12:33 AM

Was watching a Mark Sullivan movie today.

He seems a pretty competent PH and knows his stuff.

I was thinking a lot of the talk about him is just cutting down a tall poppy by other jealous outfitters.

Does anyone also know where you get his newer movies and how to find about his safaris.


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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: JackKnife]
      #2853 - 19/05/03 01:11 AM

His ethics are not to my taste, but nevertheless he is obviously successful in what he does as he can charge 2 or 3 times the amount of the "industry average" and still use the same camps and facilities as I (and everyone else) use. I believe he had a change of hunting area last year but I'm not sure which concessions he's now planning to use.

I believe his e-mail address is deathby600@hotmail.com alternatively I'm sure that any of the major search engines will help you.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: JackKnife]
      #2859 - 19/05/03 06:10 PM

Yeah, his views on when the PH should shoot are a bit different. That said I think that he has shown some good trophy's taken on video as well as some nice doubles.
I think there maybe some accurate critisism as well as a bit of the tall poppy stuff.
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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: 4seventy]
      #2862 - 20/05/03 01:04 AM

JackKnife

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: JackKnife]
      #2868 - 20/05/03 03:21 AM

I ordered some of his videos and dvd's on www.cabelas.com they have an impressive list of hunting films.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: iqbal]
      #2882 - 20/05/03 11:43 PM

His videos are very good, however, they are best watched in the 'mute' mode,as he does waffle a bit.I have the full collection.
Try www.outdoorvisions.com they have a pretty huge selection of hunting videos.
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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: JackKnife]
      #2920 - 23/05/03 12:14 AM

Jackknife, if nothing else, he is controvercial! Any string started with his name any place in the title usually opens a flood gate of disgustingly frank opinions!

His films are well done, and are absolutely broadcast quality, the content, however, is sometimes desturbing. The norcissism abounds, with the chest pounding comentary.

I think MS is a very good PH as far as his ability to find quality trophies, and have very nice camps. If you are into double rifles, there is plenty of footage, useing them. The double rifles is what drew me to his films origenally. His films are a good study, by watching the body language of the buffalo, for learning the habits, and reactions of Cape Buffalo to bullet empact, and to being approched after being wounded. The best two things about his films is the close contact to dangerous game, and the use of double rifles for this close in type of hunting.

I have his first four tapes, but after the last one I bought, called "SUDDEN DEATH", I couldn't force myself to buy another. If you can stand the talking to the camera for ten minutes, telling you what a great guy Mark is, while a wounded animal suffers, and drags himself along, in the background, then I say buy the films, I simply will not!

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: JackKnife]
      #2927 - 23/05/03 11:59 AM

JackKnife

I reckon he is a bit of a wanker.

Ive seen some of his videos and he seems to be able to be able to shoot ok. In his first vid (?) Black Death that old bull almost got him when he missed with his first shot but the second dropped it pretty easy. I bet his pants needed cleaning afterwards. Certainly his gob wasn't as fast.

Id like to have a go at a African buff with my 300 Weatherby Mag. I reckon they wouldnt be that hard to drop if shot right. Waterbuff certainly drop quick enough with a 220grain solid.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: Blitz]
      #2946 - 25/05/03 03:26 AM

Blitz,
Would a 300 WBY.mag be enough gun for a cape buff?I've never shot one but have used the WBYmag. on plainsgame.From what i hear a 375 H&H mag.is the minimum for a buff.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: Blitz]
      #2979 - 26/05/03 06:02 AM

Blitz, the 300s are illegal for Cape buffalo, for good reason, I might add! A water Buffalo is NOT a cape buffalo! Though the wtr buff is larger in body size they aren't near as tenacious of life as is the old Dugaboy!

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #2994 - 27/05/03 03:25 AM

Mac,

For what it's worth Mark does not have any camps of his own. He uses the same ones that we all do, he just charges more...... and seemingly so do the Buffalo in his movies!



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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: shakari]
      #2998 - 27/05/03 09:17 AM

Anyone seen his video "Death at my Feet"?
If so, did anyone notice the "little drama" (which could have ended in "major drama") relating to his 600 double?

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: shakari]
      #3000 - 27/05/03 11:24 AM

Mac,

For what it's worth Mark does not have any camps of his own. He uses the same ones that we all do, he just charges more...... and seemingly so do the Buffalo in his movies!

Very well put.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: 4seventy]
      #3001 - 27/05/03 02:58 PM

4seventy

I haven't seen that video but I'm guessing "was it a double discharge?" Either that or a misfire.





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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: shakari]
      #3035 - 29/05/03 09:34 AM

In reply to:

"He just charges more,and seemingly so do the Buffalo in his movies"



BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa!!!

Truer words were never spoken! Good one Shakari!

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #3050 - 30/05/03 10:53 AM

Yeah I reckon he is out of my price range.

Checked out the links given. Thanks for that.

Still reckon he is a pretty good hunter. Seems to be able to drop evrything coming onto him pretty good. He seems to have a lot of double rifles Does anyone know what they are? Saw one of them in another message. You have to be joking to pay $165000 for one of them!

What are these camps you are talking about that you all seem to share?


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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: NitroX]
      #3058 - 30/05/03 06:35 PM

Good guess Nitro.
Yup, the big 600 said bang- click instead of bang- bang. Misfire-Left Barrel!
The client only had one round left for his 470 and they did the usual walk up to the wounded bull which of course charged and was nicely brained by the client I think, with Sullivans bullet going a tad high and maybe creasing the top of the boss.(due to the bull dropping it's head from the clients brain shot)
The bull fell right at Sullivans feet and when he went to give it the second barrel there was only this little "click".
Nothing was said about it on the video so I don't know if the problem was with the cartridge or with the gun.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: JackKnife]
      #3123 - 02/06/03 07:33 AM

I have all of Mark's videos, and they certainly are entertaining! I wouldn't care to hunt with him though. I think there would be a complete personality clash. I met him several years ago at one of the sportsman's shows, and I just don't particularly care for his demeanor-too cockey. You're right about him charging a lot, although he does get a high percentage of repeat clients, so they obviously see something that I'm missing. I remember I asked him how much he would charge to rent one of his .470 double rifles for the Buffalo hunt, and he wanted $300.00 U.S. a day for the rifle rental, plus ammo costs.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: shakari]
      #3124 - 02/06/03 07:36 AM

I thought all the hunting concessions in Tanzania were for the exclusive use of the bidding outfitter.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #3131 - 02/06/03 05:51 PM

Bloody marvelous Shakari bloody marvelous!!!!!!
I nearly pissed myself reading your post.I'm gonna put my Impala prices up and see if they'll start charging!!!!!

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: JackKnife]
      #3150 - 03/06/03 11:40 AM

JackKnife, re what the doubles are that you see on video.
I think Mark Sullivans are......
600 Nitro by Marcel Thys
577 Nitro by Charles Osborne
500 Nitro... Sorry don't know the maker of this one
450 No2 Nitro by Joseph Lang
450-400 3 1/4" Nitro by Army Navy
Also there's the 700 Nitro by Watson Brothers which was offered for sale recently but at this stage I have not seen this rifle being used on video .
All these are of English make apart from the Marcel Thys which is from Belgium.
There are a few other makes of doubles used by clients on the videos including 470's by Rigby, William Evans and Westley Richards.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: JackKnife]
      #21285 - 24/11/04 05:15 PM

In reply to:

I was thinking a lot of the talk about him is just cutting down a tall poppy by other jealous outfitters.



Just finished watching his latest film In The Face Of Death where he explains about his hunting methods.
Those who dislike him will most likely never change their opinion but for anyone with an open mind I think he makes some valid points.

Jealousy?
Well, he gets to hunt in Africa more than most.
He gets to use big doubles on big game more than most.
He makes quite a lot of money doing the above.
He has had 2 doubles, 600&700 NE built to order.
In the off season he produces videos from his hunts and makes more money.
He puts his hunters in close on very high quality animals.
Many of his clients come back, some several times.

Hmmm. Can't understand for one minute why anyone would be jealous!

One thing I will say is that I think he handles that 600 pretty well.
There would not be too many who can shoot a 600 NE and not flinch to some degree but he shoots it with little or no flinch.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: 4seventy]
      #21342 - 26/11/04 10:12 AM

I think he makes a good dollar in his law practice too.

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: JackKnife]
      #21439 - 29/11/04 03:42 PM

Which one of his videos would you recommend as the first purchase?....which one is the one that wpuld be a must own?

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Re: Mark Sullivan and the Tall Poppy Syndrome [Re: Jase]
      #21441 - 29/11/04 05:20 PM

The original "buffalo charge" video was "Africa's Black Death".

I would buy that one if I didn't have any others. Almost gets swiped by the buffalo in it too.



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