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Obe1
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CZ Safari models, what's what?
#262191 - 13/03/15 06:19 PM

G'day folks, does anyone know the difference between the CZ Safari Magnum and the CZ Safari Classics?

Looking at the latter in 458WM.

Cheers, Scott.

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: Obe1]
#262192 - 13/03/15 06:39 PM

I think this is answer to yours question:

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Safari Magnum calibers: 375 H&H, 416 Rigby, 458 Win Mag, 458 Lott
Safari Classics calibers: 404 Jeffrey, 450 Rigby, 500 Jeffrey, 505 Gibbs.

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: Igorrock]
#262193 - 13/03/15 07:26 PM

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I think this is answer to yours question:
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Safari Magnum calibers: 375 H&H, 416 Rigby, 458 Win Mag, 458 Lott
Safari Classics calibers: 404 Jeffrey, 450 Rigby, 500 Jeffrey, 505 Gibbs.

Hmmm this is a "Classics" in 458WinMag so it doesn't fit into that description.

Cheers, Scott.

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: Obe1]
#262200 - 14/03/15 01:43 AM

Maybe reading this helps you:

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/big-iron-little-iron-cz-model-550-american-safari-review/

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Obe1
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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: Igorrock]
#262211 - 14/03/15 07:09 AM

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Maybe reading this helps you:

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/big-iron-little-iron-cz-model-550-american-safari-review/

Thanks for the link mate, still doesn't clear it up. The Safari Magnum is listed in 458WM but not the Classics. This is a 458wm Classics. Unless it was a limited run of them... I'm trying to assists in the value of it as the Classics is supposed to be the upgraded version of the Safari Magnum.

Cheers, Scott.

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: Obe1]
#262226 - 14/03/15 01:08 PM

The Classics looks like what the Safari Lux is now. Maybe they changed the name of it recently.

Cheers, Scott.

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: Obe1]
#262246 - 14/03/15 10:33 PM

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G'day folks, does anyone know the difference between the CZ Safari Magnum and the CZ Safari Classics?

The CZ Safari Magnum is a production gun assembled in chek republic and cost around $1200. They have a long 25" barrel, no choice. These guns need to be checked out closely prior to hunting.

The CZ Safari Classics is built to customer spec (barrel weight and length, grade of wood, sights, etc) and assembled (with extra attention)in St Louis USA and generally cost 2x or 3x the price of the above. I have both, the Classic is a much better gun. At least mine is and I got a shorter barrel length. Bottom line, you get what you pay for. You can even request special order calibers, like 450 Rigby if you want. You talk to a person and get exactly what you want built!

The 458 lott will handle both Win mag and Lott ammo. I do have a Lott in what was a $1000 Safari Magnum and it feeds Win mag and Lott interchangeably no problem (maybe I got lucky). Point of impact varies, as you would expect. The Win mag is same magnum length action, but will not chamber the Lott. In this gun, the Lott makes a lot more sense, IMHO.

You can get a catalog printed on paper. That makes all this clear. You are in Australia. That might complicate getting a classic. The classic will require you speak on the telephone to St Louis USA, as about shipping.

IMHO, paying custom prices and shipping problems for a 458 may not be worth it to you. Maybe less hassle to have the barrel cut down locally. Think about a LOTT.

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: fourbore]
#262278 - 15/03/15 10:03 AM

Obe1, the safari classics are in a limited calibre range & supposedly upgraded timber etc, can get them here normally thru big stores in capital cities. A mate had one in .505Gibbs, it was a real gem, shot well & functioned well from the beginning before he got an offer too good to refuse for it. I have the classic but in .404, it's stock wasn't the flash one as advertised & wasn't bedded from factor as described - nor did it initially feed well!
I tried stretching the magazine spring somewhat as the bolt would ride over the cartridges initially, I ended up putting a sloping spacer into the back of the mag well & it works fine now.
I must say that mine was bought 2nd hand from a supposed top notch store in Brisbane sight unseen, its a very long drive from NQ! Someone most probably got the proper stock for their magnum as the barrel diameters are pretty similar - can't prove it though!
What I would suggest is that before you lay your hard earned money, being in Victoria you're a lot closer to drive to the store it's probably at & try it feed wise etc; if it works properly then that's the one you buy. Yes some CZ's in .458 were problem feeders, yet others are perfect?
Yes it leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth, just don't want a fellow like yourself get a potential problem child!
Overall the CZ 550's are all the basic same rifle, just different calibres & the costing of making a .404 from scratch up was on par what I paid for mine. If I do my part right it is one accurate rifle & that goes for light cast loads up to full power hunting loads.
All the best mate
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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: 93x64mm]
#262286 - 15/03/15 04:42 PM

you can get lucky. My 416Rigby came with 2 cross bolts holds 4 down and the only feeding problem was with the Woodliegh Hydros from the left of the mag. Just played around with seating depth and all was ok.

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: Rule303]
#262295 - 15/03/15 07:28 PM

Thanks fellas.

Cheers, Scott.

Edited by Obe1 (16/03/15 12:11 PM)

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: Obe1]
#262344 - 16/03/15 09:46 PM

I've got a Safari Magnum in 458Lott...the ones Clayton's were knocking out a while back as supposedly seconds. Given with any big bore, I'd have the feeding worked on before taking it hunting, I thought this was a great chance to pay less and then get the work done I wanted anyway.

So, stock stripped and refinished with oil (and not a bad bit of walnut for a cheap gun), bedded and relieved around the tang a bit more, action slightly cleaned up, feeding checked/improved (Some are apparently terrible, especially in 458Lott), metalwork Cerakoted to get rid of the horrible Parkerising, and a Timney fitted in place of the factory set trigger...total cost, less than the "non-seconds" were new, and a much nicer rifle, IMHO.

At some point, it will become a 500Jeffery, and I'll either get a new stock, or have an ebony tip fitted and get rid of the front sling stud, but it'll do as-is for now.

(Terrible picture, as it started chucking it down as I took it, but haven't bothered to retake it!)

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: JeffK]
#262505 - 19/03/15 09:33 PM

As per fourbore's post, those modified in the states have a new (local) barrel, a sling swivel on the barrel, new stock, recoil reducer in the stock and are bedded - that's why they cost more. Typically the raw Czech units were in 375H&H, 416R and 458WM (although when they hit American shores they ran a reamer in these to create 458Lott, hence the double stamping on these ie 458WM/458Lott) - 458WM is problematic for reliability of feeding and the longer case of the 458Lott seems to fix the issue without magazine/feed rail mods.

The modified units were/are available in 404J, 500J and 505Gibbs.

Even the modified units with the higher cost are good value.

Edited by mauserand9mm (19/03/15 09:36 PM)

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: Igorrock]
#262731 - 24/03/15 02:57 PM

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I think this is answer to yours question:
Quote:

Safari Magnum calibers: 375 H&H, 416 Rigby, 458 Win Mag, 458 Lott
Safari Classics calibers: 404 Jeffrey, 450 Rigby, 500 Jeffrey, 505 Gibbs.

I agree, but more than a few CZ 550s in 375 H&H have Safari Classic stamped on them. The real Safari Classics should have upgraded wood, barrel bands and come in the calibers listed above though they will build you one in 375 H&H or 416 Rigby. They used to come with McGowen barrels too. This one is a 500 Jeffery with a 24" McGowen barrel with a 1 in 10" twist. It will torque a bit once those 570g bullets exceed 2400 fps.

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: chuck375]
#262738 - 24/03/15 08:35 PM

Hello Chuck375,

How do you know that it is a McGowen barrel? Is it marked?

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: buckstix]
#262758 - 25/03/15 12:41 PM

Hi, because Harlan Satrang at Triple River (e.g. the CZ Custom Shop) put it on for me. My rifle started out as a 375 H&H and Harlan changed it into a 500 Jeffery. At the time they were using almost all McGowen barrels on their Safari Classics. Not sure if they still are. You can call Jason at CZ USA or Harlan at Triple River if you have a U.S. built Safari Classic and they can tell you the barrel manufacturer. Both my original 375 (I still have the barrel if anyone needs one) and my 500 Jeffery shoot well under 1 MOA. The Jeffery shoots better.

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Edited by chuck375 (25/03/15 02:50 PM)

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: chuck375]
#263363 - 10/04/15 03:06 AM

Here is one more "Not In The Books" model?

CZ Safari Classic in .458 Lott, 2007, Czech barrel reamed to Lott in the US, and skilfully re-stamped by Bubba...

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Re: CZ Safari models, what's what? [Re: Kano]
#263399 - 10/04/15 07:06 PM

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Here is one more "Not In The Books" model?

CZ Safari Classic in .458 Lott, 2007, Czech barrel reamed to Lott in the US, and skilfully re-stamped by Bubba...

I dunno, after a few beers, all the other stampings look similar

Does make you wonder how that happened though. There are two "trial" stamps before they got it right.

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