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its 8 years I got a chassepot carbine barreled action and a walnut blank
here is an old pic
have a 68 cm long barrel with a .454 diameter
here a chamber cast with an original cartridge, the bolt is in the position he have when closed
this thing sleeping in my basement for years now only visited from time to time. maybe its the year I can bring it to an end now.
Chassepot carbine, make in the manufacture imperiale de Châtellerault between 1866 and 1870
the chassepot is the link beween the Dreyse bolt action and the Mauser 71. you have to cock the bolt with the hand before you can open it.
the needle
my intention allways was to make a stutzen, something between the dreyse jäger rifle
and the civil dreyse hunting rifles for needle fire paper cartridges
or center fire metallic cartridges
thats what it looks now
I found a horn trigger guard, probably for a double gun with two trigger so I have space in the trigger guard for a safety. the stock will get a old style horn tip too.
got a very nice old german patch box on monday
such things were not uncommon on dreyse sporting rifles and so think if it will be a good idea to use this for my stutzen project. because all steel parts get a fire blueing or the antic brauning the patch box will need a colour case hardening then.
the front sight came from a Haenel airgun
to let the cat out of the bag this is my first own wildcat cartridge the 11,5x50 RB PWM/Chassepot needle fire.
something the world was waiting for
will give mor informations when the rifle is ready once
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Edited by lancaster (26/02/15 02:01 AM)
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tinker
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Nice!
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Nice old guns and workmanship, all I can say it gives me a bit of encouragement to
press on with some of my projects. --- John
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"the 11,5x50 RB PWM/Chassepot needle fire"
How did the firearms world survive this long without it!
All kidding aside, that is an interesting project lancaster.
Thanks for sharing.
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Enticing - excellent work, lancaster. I had surmised the stock wold have darker lines in the grain structure - maybe they'll show after it's finished in oil.
Well done.
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lancaster
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"the 11,5x50 RB PWM/Chassepot needle fire"
How did the firearms world survive this long without it!
All kidding aside, that is an interesting project lancaster.
Thanks for sharing.
thank you for your words of encouragement, you know real inventor's work for the common good. I have another secret invention for an older problem that will come to dayligth this year.
in the beginning I dont know what to do with the patch box. does it fit, is it a good idea? will I need it in the future for another rifle?
The dreyse jaeger rifle was probably the first one without a patch box but you will find it on sporting guns up into the 1870s. The rare Dörsch&v.Baumgarten needle fire jaeger rifle for the tiny Principality of Schaumburg-Lippe in germany had a patch box.
http://www.schaumburger-zeitung.de/porta...in-Schuss-_arid,340007.html
Dörsch was working for Dreyse before he became a master in Suhl on his own in 1857, only Schaumburg-Lippe order 670-750 jaeger rifles of this model for the dreyse military cartridge in 1861.
600 of this jäger rifles were sold to japan in 1868 were a Feldwebel Carl Koeppen trained a unit near Osaka as a foreign advisor or お雇い外国人 with this needle rifles.
Dörsch&v.Baumgarten were also making hunting rifles with this action but in the own 12mm caliber.
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Yes.
Use the patch box.
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make the forend tip by a piece of horn,first time I work with horn and its a a nice material. have another piece of similar size and will do it again when my Mauser 71 project is on the bench.
maybe 80-90% ready
side by siode with my Dreyse M 60, probably not many people working on a needle fire rifle just now world wide 
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"probably not many people working on a needle fire rifle just now world wide"
I'm almost positive that at this time in history you are one of one.
I really enjoy seeing these obsolete firearms brought back to life! It inspires me to start looking for a new project gun. Good thing there is a gunshow near me next weekend.
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Nice project and very nice patch box,use it.
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lancaster
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Quote:
"probably not many people working on a needle fire rifle just now world wide"
I'm almost positive that at this time in history you are one of one.
I really enjoy seeing these obsolete firearms brought back to life! It inspires me to start looking for a new project gun. Good thing there is a gunshow near me next weekend.
I am not alone anymore, someone was paying 1020 euro for this ruin of a dreyse jäger rifle yesterday
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5338020&PHPSESSID=138c
missing the bolt, rear sight and the unloading rod, overall condition is sad but true 
believe this started for one euro and iirc, thought about it 2 or 3 seconds but decided it will cost a lot of money to bring it back into the old glory and you can get a complete rifle for it.the original parts will be impossible to find and the only way is to made it new.
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Lancaster,
Love the carving on the stock of the Dörsch&v.Baumgarten!
Would not be out of place on yours!
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another chassepot hunting carbine for sale
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-chasse-Chassepot-1866-item-2271769.html
a chassepot transformed into a 11,x59R Gras given as an award once
http://www.naturabuy.fr/RARISSIME-FUSIL-CHASSEPOT-DE-RECOMPENSE-item-2211607.html
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lancaster
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another chassepot hunting rifle for sale http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6104819
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progress comes slowly but maybe this year
still working on the special swivel
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Looks good Lancaster!
I'm very intrigued by this project of yours.
Thanks for the update
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so the sling swifel are tig welded, the new made swifel that copy the Dreyse style and the old one that was clapped out
only thing to do now for me is to put the patch box into the stock. than make all steel parts "white" and finish the stock.
and than comes the moment of truth when I will shot the rifle on 50 meter to see what happen with iron sights.
the future starts slowly 
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As you put it Lancaster......
"such things were not uncommon on dreyse sporting rifles and so think if it will be a good idea to use this for my stutzen project. because all steel parts get a fire blueing or the antic brauning the patch box will need a colour case hardening then."
You can certainly still have in on there for your cleaning patches, you have a rod with it now so why not!
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yes, the patch box will be used
there are various small parts that come in
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There was an article on I believe the Castboolits website in which the author described the conversion of a Gras to 45/70. try as I might I cannot find that article. The Gras bolt head is flat so do not need to reform the base of the cartridge to the mauser "A" base. Probably have to bush the firing pin hole and reduce the diameter for the firing pin. Frank
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after many years the Chassepot "Pirschbuechse" is ready for finishing
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Excellent.
I very much look forward to the eventual field report!
Cheers
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Very nice Lancaster!
I too look forward to seeing field reports.
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A very interesting and worthwhile endeavour.
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with the help of saint hubertus this year on the range and next year in the field
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