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muzzle loader at auction
      #256429 - 09/11/14 01:09 AM

nice german hunting rifle, 10 mm caliber
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5145888














14mm caliber hunting rifle by Christoph Funk/ Suhl
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5145917













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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #256439 - 09/11/14 07:01 AM

Nice rifles - I do not understand the pricing - what is 530,00 Euro and 705,50 Euro?

Would that be close to 1,000.00 US or CDN and 1,200US or CDN?
If so, I'd estimate they are decently priced, maybe even excellently priced, especially the second one, the 14 mm rifle.

The patent breech on the second rifle is especially nice to see, along with what appears to be a 1/2 cock safety - a really nice rifle.

Hopefully the bores are in good shape as well.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Daryl_S]
      #256455 - 09/11/14 02:53 PM

thats the price the auction have reach now but there is some time left and the last 3 minutes make it

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #256467 - 09/11/14 06:48 PM


Some very nice (spectacular, actually) percussion rifles in the upcoming auction at Holt's:

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...1&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...7&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...4&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...9&saletype=

And many more.

Sorry, copy-pasting the pictures did not work for me.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: fuhrmann]
      #256470 - 09/11/14 08:45 PM

yes the holt's site is not very user friendly



sale A1214 Lot 496

J. & W. TOLLEY, BIRMINGHAM
A CASED .500 PERCUSSION SINGLE-SHOT SPORTING RIFLE FOR DANGEROUS GAME, serial no. 5251,
circa 1855, with blued octagonal 28in. barrel, the matted top-flat signed 'J. & W. TOLLEY, ST MARY'S SQUARE, BIRMINGHAM' within a plain rectangle, dove-tailed beaded blade fore-sight, folding ladder rear-sight with sliding elevator, squared breech with scroll engraved detail and moulded percussion snail, borderline and scroll engraved top-tang, border and scroll engraved bar-action lock signed 'J. & W. TOLLEY', the front of lock featuring an engraved tiger, carved and engraved dolphin-headed hammer, chequered walnut pistol-grip half-stock, iron furniture including full-length trigger-guard tang, moulded hor fore-end tip and brass-mounted ramrod TOGETHER WITH a mahogany storage case, re-compartmented and lined in green baize and complete with a period flask, a scissors ball-mould, a cap-tin, a turn-screw and a nipple-pot












Sale A1214 Lot 506

NAGEL, BADEN
A GOOD 22-BORE PERCUSSION SINGLE-SHOT SPORTING-RIFLE, no visible serial number,
circa 1850, with browned slightly swamped octagonal barrel, the top-flat signed in gold 'G. NAGEL IN BADEN, twin gold band at muzzle, similar banding at breech, dove-tailed bead fore-sight, dove-tailed standing notch rear-sight with additional folding leaf, scroll engraved breech-block and long top-tang, spirally carved nipple-snail with platinum plug, scroll engraved bar-action hump-back lock with stepped tail and signed within an engraved banner 'G. NAGEL IN BADEN', scroll engraved hammer, walnut full-stock chequered at the wrist, iron patch-box to right hand side of butt with scroll engraved hinge and a cover featuring a stag in a woodland setting leaping a low fence, iron heel-plate with short top-spur, provision for oval escutcheon to the underside of butt (missing), scrolled pistol-grip trigger-guard tang, scroll engraved trigger-guard bow, double set-triggers, scroll engraved moulded sideplate, plain ramrod thimbles and original iron-mounted wood ramrod, much original finish throughout

Other Notes: A note from the vendor stated that this rifle was purchased by him from Mssrs. Wallis & Wallis in the 1960's for the sum of £14. It was formerly in the collection of The Duke of Hamilton, Brodick Castle, Isle of Arran and was probably purchased new from the maker by Karl Ludwig Friedrich, Grand Duke of Baden, whose daughter married the 11th Duke of Hamilton in 1843

Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.

Estimate £1,500-2,000





Sale A1214 Lot 520

JAMES PURDEY, LONDON
A FINE 14-BORE PERCUSSION SINGLE-SHOT SPORTING-RIFLE, serial no. 2233,
circa 1850, with re-browned twist iron octagonal multi-grooved 29 1/2in. barrel, the top-flat signed 'J. PURDEY, 314 1/2 OXFORD STREET, LONDON', dove-tailed bead fore-sight, standing notch rear-sight, plain angular breech with platinum lines and vented plug, scroll engraved top-tang, the top-flat featuring a mask of a tiger, borderline engraved bar-action lock signed 'PURDEY', the front also engraved with a scene of stags at rest, the tail with scrolls, scroll engraved hammer with sliding safe behind, chequered walnut half-stock with raised cheek-piece, iron patch-box to right hand side of butt with engraved hinge, the circular lid engraved with a seated doe and a standing stag beneath a tree, the whole scene with a rope-twist border, iron scroll-engraved heel-plate with a running boar to the top-spur, engraved trigger-guard tang with chequered pistol-grip spur, border engraved trigger-guard bow with a central scene of a bolting stag, engraved finial, moulded iron ramrod throat and horn fore-end tip, plain thimbles to the under-rib and substantial ebony mushroom-headed ramrod







A. HENRY, EDINBURGH
A FINE .451 PERCUSSION DELUXE-GRADE SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 883,
circa 1860, with heavy octagonal browned twist 33 1/2in. barrel with Henry rifling, the top-flat signed 'ALEXr. HENRY 8 SOUTH ST ANDREWS ST EDINBURGH' near the breech and 'PATENT NO. 427 GAUGE 451' forwards of the rear-sight, the front half of the top-flat cross-hatched and matted, broad dove-tailed bead fore-sight, rear-sight with four graduated folding leaves, each marked with the respective range and scroll engraved with a central platinum line, the breech-block with engraved bands, scrolls and featuring the mask of a lion to the top, engraved platinum plug, fully scroll engraved top-tang, borderline and scroll engraved bar-action lock (much colour remaining) signed 'ALEXr. HENRY' below the hammer and featuring engravings of a standing stag to the front and a prowling tiger to the tail, slab-sided fully scroll engraved moulded hammer with dolphin head and blued sliding safety to the fore, chequered full pistol-grip half-stock with scroll engraved iron patch-box to the right hand side of butt, the lid with an engraving of a stag fending off wolves, scroll engraved iron heel-plate (strong traces of original blued finish) with an engraving of a leopard to the short top-spur, gold shield-shaped vacant escutcheon to the underside of stock, moulded iron pistol-grip cap with scroll engraved central cap-box, scroll engraved trigger-guard tang, the bow with a further engraving of a tiger (much blued finish remaining inside the bow), single-set trigger, engraved pineapple finial, turned ramrod throat and plain thimbles and original mahogany ramrod with locking notch to the brass tip

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: fuhrmann]
      #256490 - 10/11/14 07:57 AM

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Some very nice (spectacular, actually) percussion rifles in the upcoming auction at Holt's:

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...1&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...7&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...4&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...9&saletype=

And many more.

Sorry, copy-pasting the pictures did not work for me.

fuhrmann




THOSE are incredible and so inexpensive. You could not even begin to have a maker today build one for those expected prices - not even the higher priced ones.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Daryl_S]
      #259130 - 18/01/15 01:26 AM

described as a "Elefant gun" this french made 18mm caliber muzzler loader is in any case a big game rifle

http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/elefantboesse-forlader-kaliber-ca-18-mm-m-r-de-etienne/i3672377/




















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Re: Forsyth priming [Re: lancaster]
      #260221 - 10/02/15 08:08 AM

this little .31 caliber muzzle loader deserve a first class restoration
http://www.bisgaardnielsen.dk/product.asp?product=14058&lang=uk














" with the "Forsyth Bottle" cal. aprox. 8 mm (.31) octagonial barrel. All fittings have leicht engravings. Beside an unimportant crack in the riflestock, it is in a very good condition.

Description:
This rifle use a variation of the "Forsyth bottle" - a percussionsloch whouse detonating powder instead of caps. This system was only used a very short period and it is rare."

Mister Forsyth and his missing link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_John_Forsyth

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Re: Forsyth priming [Re: lancaster]
      #260239 - 10/02/15 04:19 PM

Certainly a 'different looking' scent bottle, but very interesting, just the same. Perhaps it is a Germanic or Austrian version, as the rifle's design smacks of that area.
I do think one of Lyamn's Black Powder Handbooks has a photo or drawing of the Forsyth version.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #263431 - 12/04/15 10:01 PM

Carl Pirko a Wien 16 ga double gun
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5406601











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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #266774 - 21/06/15 08:08 PM

Büchsflinte by Peterlongo in the next Springer's auction
http://issuu.com/joh.springerserben/docs/springer_auktionskatalog17_web



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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #270067 - 06/09/15 11:25 PM

again Carl Pirco in Wien, O/U double rifle 15mm caliber
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5586800











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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #270090 - 07/09/15 09:15 AM

That is very, very nice, unusual and best quality

The work to make the "cups" around the nipples is astounding

Thank you for posting such an interesting and unusual rifle

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: TH44]
      #270092 - 07/09/15 11:08 AM

Yes- the work is very nice indeed. Nice rifle!

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Daryl_S]
      #270109 - 07/09/15 05:27 PM






THOSE are incredible and so inexpensive. You could not even begin to have a maker today build one for those expected prices - not even the higher priced ones.




I agree Daryl, you can still get some very nice muzzleloader guns by big names at sensible prices. To tell the truth I enjoy shooting blackpowder shotguns more than the modern ones, messier but more involved and somehow more satisfying when you bring a bird down (or break a clay ) best


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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: TH44]
      #276656 - 16/01/16 10:48 PM

nice 10,5mm rifle by Zach. Simson Suhl,see it in the 1860s
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/slaglaasstudsare/i4121521/#













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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #276667 - 17/01/16 04:25 AM

Spot-on, Mike.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #276786 - 20/01/16 01:19 AM

muzzle loader goose gun , so called "CANARDIERE" in france
1040mm long barrel
http://www.naturabuy.fr/CANARDIERE-A-PERCUSSIONS-CANON-RAYE-LONG-DE-1040MM-item-1210909.html




















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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #280895 - 14/04/16 10:27 PM

danish Jaeger rifle M 1791/48 so a former flintlock transformed to percussion priming
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/dansk-jaegerriffel-m-1791-1848/i4231153/#



























love this old Jaeger rifles, it the service rilfe for a hunter



if you looking for big gauge muzzle loading fowler the french market have a lot of such stuff

8 ga. 94 cm barrel, 132cm oal











http://www.naturabuy.fr/CANARDIERE-A-PERCUSSION-CAL-8-item-2895409.html





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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #280910 - 15/04/16 02:49 AM

Lancaster, with regards the 16 bore SXS you posted, 16 was the smallest bore size Forsyth recommended for dangerous game in India.

In Africa, 12 bore was deemed the minimum in muzzle loaders.

It was not until the advent of strong enough breechloaders that could shoot hardened balls (conicals) that slug shooting guns could compete with the bore size ML's hardened spherical balls for 'killing' power on the big beasts.

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      #280916 - 15/04/16 04:32 AM

and it was not uncommon that such long barreled muzzle loader fowler were shortened to be used as a elephant gun

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      #281032 - 16/04/16 08:13 PM

Oh to have a wheelbarrow full of one hundred dollar bills to freely spend....

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      #281049 - 17/04/16 03:55 AM

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and it was not uncommon that such long barreled muzzle loader fowler were shortened to be used as a elephant gun




Francis Selous' 4 bore, was a Dutch made single shot fowler(seems to me), shortened for use on elephant.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #287331 - 03/09/16 02:41 PM

a Kuchenreuter double rifle, 14,5mm caliber
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6071415













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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #287389 - 04/09/16 10:18 PM

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again Carl Pirco in Wien, O/U double rifle 15mm caliber
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5586800














When was this one circa?

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