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Nframe
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Best solid opinions
#25441 - 30/01/05 10:04 PM

Opinions on which type of solid is best, Mono, Tradiitonal, Africn grand slam. In 458 caliber.

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Marrakai
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: Nframe]
#25448 - 30/01/05 11:26 PM

More info needed, Nframe.

The answer depends heavily on what firearm they will be loaded into, and what game they will be discharged towards!

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shakari
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: Marrakai]
#25463 - 31/01/05 03:13 AM

assuming you're not using it in a double rifle my vote goes to a mono solidevery time.....I've seen FMJ solids fail plenty of times......but I've never seen a mono solid fail.

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BigRx
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: Nframe]
#25471 - 31/01/05 08:52 AM

This may be an interesting thread...........

I read Dave Estergaard's report on various penetration tests with great interest.

www.470mbogo.com/BigBores/BigBores.html

It seems the conventional solids OUT-PENETRATED the monolithics by a goodly amount..... HUMM??

Granted plywood isn't a Buff! But then friction is friction however in a common substance.

I have often thought that only sectional density was lacking something when comparing less DENSE and LONGER monolithic and more dense heavy core bullets of the same weight and sectional density. If Estergaard's report is somehow comparable to "feet" penetrated into an elephant with the different bullet types; then Speer may have the very best idea by using the densest material.
This hinges on the solid not deforming however. Any thoughts?

BigRx

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500grains
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: Nframe]
#25476 - 31/01/05 02:59 PM

The GS Custom FN solids are the best in my opinion. They give extremely deep penetration and excellent tissue disruption. And they are safe for doubles.

www.gscustom.co.za

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Nframe
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: Marrakai]
#25479 - 31/01/05 03:42 PM

Well they wil be loaded ionto a model 70 458 WM, and I'm just a paper puncher as I can't afford to hunt Africa. It's just a academic curiosity more than anything and you guys have actual experience that I don't, it's kind of mind boggling the amount of different designs on the market, just wanted to know where to start. Thanks.

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Karl
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: Nframe]
#25623 - 04/02/05 02:44 AM

Bigrx and Nframe,
The FMJ with taper will possibly perform better on wood tests than the monos, since they are pointier.

This advantage may not be apparent in fluid where flatpoints and blunter noses(theoretically) maintain better course.

Saeed had pictures on AR of Barnes solids or a-square monos with bulging noses and slightly bent I believe.

As to the african grad slam it obviously works but is a bit of an over engineered gimmick. Or rather a good excuse to bump of the price for a 'short bullet'.
The original purpose of expensive tunsgten carbide cores is to penetrate armour in military calibres.

Karl.

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SAHUNT
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: Nframe]
#25648 - 04/02/05 04:57 PM

I will go for the mono solids. Take a look at www.impalabullets.co.za. I'm personally only hunt with them. I have never lost an animal shot with an impala bullet and never had to walk more than 40 paces. I was very sceptical when I first hunted with them but using the bullets convinced me.

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500grains
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: SAHUNT]
#25729 - 06/02/05 12:48 AM

Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that Impala bullets are designed for light game, and would not be appropriate for frontal brain shots on elephant.

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SAHUNT
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: 500grains]
#25738 - 06/02/05 02:23 AM

500 grains,
I know Cobus the designer of the Impala bullets very well. They are not only designsd for small to medium animals or for brain shots. Their uniquiness lies in the rings on the shaft. If you shoot a animal in the lungs the air "explodes in the lungs and cause a hell of a lot of damage. I know of 2 buffs that was hunted in Zim with a 375 and a 458. Apperently only one shot was needed on every buff. If you want more info on excactly how the bullets perform Cobus will give you all the details.

My experience with the Impalas are very good, after a lung shot there is nothing left of the lungs, the lungs turned in to a blooby pulp every time and the animals expire very quickly. A added benifit is that the meat damage are minimal.

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EricD
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: Nframe]
#25745 - 06/02/05 06:28 AM

Any of you tried the "SuperPenetrator" designed by Dr. Norbert Hansen?

He's shot quite a lot of elephant with them (probably more than most guys will shoot big game in a lifetime), and they are distributed by: Spezialgeschosse

Erik

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500grains
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: EricD]
#25808 - 07/02/05 11:44 AM

The SuperPenetrator is no doubt a great bullet. If I used them, would I also be a super penetrator?

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EricD
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Re: Best solid opinions [Re: 500grains]
#25922 - 09/02/05 06:10 AM

In reply to:

If I used them, would I also be a super penetrator?

I think this would depend on who you were trying to penetrate! Are you contemplating a career shift over to the porn industry?

Erik

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