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Squarebridge
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My new Husqvarna 146
      #250623 - 18/07/14 09:31 AM

Found this rifle in a shop full of ARs and AKs, sitting neglected. I had been looking for any good Husqvarna in 9.3x57 and frankly didn't think I'd find one built on a 98 action, but there it was. Very clean inside and out with only frosting in the grooves.

And most importantly, no scope mounts! Claw mounts would have been asking for too much.












I'll take it to the range tomorrow and will post photos of the groups.

Looking forward to working up loads for it and I'm also going to try to cast bullets. I know NOE sells a .366 mould, but it wonder if that's big enough. I need to slug the bore.

Edited by squarebridge (18/07/14 09:45 AM)


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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Squarebridge]
      #250633 - 18/07/14 11:34 AM

Great find squarebridge. I am truly enjoying my 9.3x57 M46 Husky.
The bore on mine measures .370" but even with brass that has .010" thick neck walls .367" diameter bullets is max and still leave a comfortable amount of expansion to release the bullet on firing. So unless I ream the chamber neck cast bullets are not an option.
With 285 grain Privi jacketed bullets accuracy is sub 2", 100 yard, 5 shot groups with iron sights. I did open the fine notch in the rear sight to a nice wide 90 degree V. The original fine notch just was not working for me.
Check out the other posts about thes rifles as some (many?) Have excessive headspace and brass needs to be adjusted to fit your individual chamber. I guess I got lucky with mine as it is within the normal headspace tolerance.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #250638 - 18/07/14 12:11 PM

I like the rear notch very well, we'll see how it works.

Interesting what you say about cast bullets not being an option...


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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Squarebridge]
      #250642 - 18/07/14 12:57 PM

Cast bullets need to be .001-.002" larger than bore diameter to seal well. If a cast bullet is undersize the hot gases from firing will literally flamecut the sides of the bullet and cause leading and inaccuracy.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #250659 - 19/07/14 02:19 AM

Matt's results with a m46 in 9.3x57 mirror mine. .370" grooved diameter and .357" being the largest that will fit comfortably. I also used necked up 8x57, but first necked them straight, then necked down for a crush fit. My rifle had .019" headspace - too much for a simple necking up and fire forming operation. In the interest of case longevity, I had to form a false shoulder and the only way to do that was to neck them larger, first. If I wanted to shoot cast bullets, I'd have to open the chamber neck to allow larger bullets.

Now - the M146's usually have, I'm informed, .365" to .366" groove diameters. If you want to shoot cast bullets, do indeed, slug the bore to find out what you're is anduse appropriate bullets. If you have a .370" groove diameter, cast bullets are not an option unless you open us the throat.

Nice rifle, btw- GREAT find.

Loads - factory is about useless - for me.

Hornady makes the dies & I like mine.
In my M96, I run 225gr. at 2,550fps, 232gr. at 2,450fps, 270's at 2,300fps, 286gr. at 2,200fps, 293gr. at 2,200fps and 300gr. at 2,175fps.

My 300gr. bullets are 125fps faster than the factory 286gr. Normas.

In my rifle, all bullet weights shot into the same group will make a 2 1/2" group, shot off bags at 100meters.
Individual groups run 3/4" to 1 1/2".

Your model 98 can easily add 100fps - probably more to those figures.

The 9.3x57 is a wonderful round, easy to shoot and very effective on moose - mine was 200yards and shot with the rifle's iron sights. I had filed out the rear sight into a wide V as the U notch was too tight and I like the wide V.

Since it was already drilled and tapped, after that first year, I mounted a 3-9X M3200 Bushnel on it, hence the good shooting.

Lee can make you dies to reduce .375's to .366" or .367". A reduction die is how I was able to test 225gr., 270gr.(other than Speer) and 300gr. bullets.

That 300gr. load matches or exceeds the load used in factory .333Jefery, seems to me. Remember the picture of the lion charge in Taylor's book? The lion took a .333 in the face? haven't read that book for 30years, but I can still picture that photo - as vividly now as when it was in front of me.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #250676 - 19/07/14 05:47 AM

SB,
I have a set of used Hornady New Dimension two die set for 9.3 x 57 and
74 new Norma made 9.3 x 57 brass.

The brass has very slight stains and the dies have wrench marks and slight stains on the outside.

The brass sells for $75.00 and the dies for $25.00.

USPS flat rate box shipping $15.00.

I used the dies for my Husky like yours, now sold and I bought a Husky 246, same but in 9.3 x 62.

So these have sat for 9 years...

If you take all, I can fit in one USPS box.

I take PP.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: OahuKaneohe]
      #250687 - 19/07/14 08:06 AM

Thanks so much for the info, guys. Much appreciated.

Oahukenohe,,,PM sent regarding your cases and dies.

I'm getting components now and it's rained all day today so no range work sadly.

DarylS, do you use Prvi bullets? I'm going to start laying them in by the hundred like I am with their .330 hornady's for 318 WR. Your velocities are equivalent to 9.3x62 velocities in some cases, especially those from Taylor's period.

I agree, his book is mesmerizing. I read it once a year probably.


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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Squarebridge]
      #250693 - 19/07/14 10:50 AM

The first 9.3x62 ammo ran about 2,150fps for for soft and solid 286's. The old loads worked well and Taylor noted he did not see much if any difference for the faster 1920's load running 2,340fps and that they were not needed.

I feel the 270gr. bullet is to soft for this round - even at only 2,300fps. My 9.3x62, using BLC2 powder pushes that same bullet out at 2,650fps - way to fast for the thin-skinned bullet.

The 9.2z62 was very much underloaded when it first came out, and is still underloaded today, showing ballistics from the 20's. We have much better powders today.

A member here, 9.3x57 being his handle, did a lot of bullet testing in his 9.3's, both 9.3x62 and 9.3x57. The bullets that worded the best for him, were the:
Sized down .375's to .366" - 225gr Hornady - an amazingly tough bullet that he drove at 2,550fps, yet point blank made just about as much penetration through a steer's skull + 1" boards and jugs of water, as a 300gr. .375 Swift A-Frame started at a mere 2,400fps. That's the one designed for a deer bullet for the .376H&H- for 2,900ps to 3,000fps. It is an extraordinary bullet, with 1 measured .0625" jacket - yes - 1/16" thick, (just like the .458 Speer 350gr.), A sized down 235gr. Speer .375" bullet also turned into an amazingly tough bullet in these tests.

The Privi 285gr. seemed a mite soft, not exiting the steer's skull, however do not seem to break up in bone, but expand into huge mushrooms. On the other hand, the 270gr. Speer broke a calf moose leg bone - (2" in diameter, btw) - breaking out a 2 1/2" long chunk and driving that through the rib cage into the lungs. Impacting at only 1,850fps (200yards), I expected the bullet to stay together - I was disppointed. It killed the moose, but only fragments of bullet and bone made it through the lungs.

A sized down 270gr. Hornady spire point turned in impressive penetration and killing power for Rod on very large, wild beef cattle.

The 232gr. Vulcan and 232gr. Oryx Norma bullets are or were well liked for moose in Sweden - and maybe Denmark too. At 2,450fps, they will make good 300yard big-game bullets.

The 250gr. Nosler will also be a good one and I suspect the newer Hornady 286gr. SP will also work well, giving good penetration and expansion.

I have not tried the 250 Noslers nor the 286gr. Horandy, but all the others were very accurate in my oversized groove diameter 9.3x57.

I cam across a stash of old 250gr. Barnes Old Style spitzers and have some loaded for my 9.3x62 - I think they might be interesting - will have to chronograph them.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #250700 - 19/07/14 03:54 PM

Great info, thanks very much Daryl.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Squarebridge]
      #250702 - 19/07/14 04:42 PM

SB,
Last week I did some penetration and expansion tests with the 285 grain Privi bullets. They were launched at 2070 fps to match Norma factory ballistics.
The range was 15 yards from the muzzle to impact point, just far enough to keep from getting wet and still have around 2000 fps at impact.
The test medium was plastic jugs that were 8" front to back filled with water and placed in a row back to back.
I only fired 2 of the Privi bullets for this test but the results were pretty much the same.
The bullets penetrated 5 of the jugs and actually left a hole in the face of the 6th jug. 40+ inches of penetration. Both expanded into a classic mushroom down to the 1st cannelure. The 1st 2 jugs exploded and the 3rd jug split its sides out. The 4th and 5th jugs also split their sides about 50%. Lots of energy transfer.
I have not shot any living creature with this bullet yet but I have to believe that it will work well on most game animals in North America. I plan on putting them to the test this coming December on my annual deer hunt with my son in western Tennessee.
I will post pictures of the 2 test bullets in the next day or two.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #250721 - 20/07/14 01:43 AM

Should kill a deer if you hit him right.

Rod used 4-quart milk jugs filled with water, with 1" plywood boards in between them.

My best load with the 285 Privi bullets was 46.5gr. H4895. I used 48gr. with 270's and 45gr. with 300's.

For deer at close range, you'll do just fine.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #250723 - 20/07/14 01:48 AM

That's great Matt, good to hear we can get such good performance from what is basically a bargain priced bulk bullet. Call me cheap but I can't see a bullet costing a dollar.

My rifle's action is smooth as glass and I don't anticipate any headspace issues from this great FN action. I'm starting with both new and once fired Norma brass...I'll keep them separate and see how it goes. I need to get a trim die also.

I fully intend to keep it glass free, but it would be nice to have a good set of claw mounts and a little steel Weaver 3 power scope.

Also need to get a sling that will fit these wee little swivels. Maybe Trader Keith has something.

Many thanks for advice and information...


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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #250724 - 20/07/14 01:50 AM

Quote:

Should kill a deer if you hit him right.

Rod used 4-quart milk jugs filled with water, with 1" plywood boards in between them.

My best load with the 285 Privi bullets was 46.5gr. H4895. I used 48gr. with 270's and 45gr. with 300's.

For deer at close range, you'll do just fine.





H4895 seems to be the go to powder although I've also read that IMR4064 is a good choice...


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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Squarebridge]
      #250729 - 20/07/14 04:01 AM

SB,
Here is a pic of what I am sending. In addition I have included a new sling that will fit and
some new 8mm brass if you want to venture into necking it up to 9.3 using the Hornady dies.

I tried that and it worked. e mail: ble00321@hawaiiantel.net



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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: OahuKaneohe]
      #250751 - 20/07/14 02:50 PM

Squarebridge

Can recommend the NOE 286 .366 bullet mould. A friend recently bought one for his Sauer 9.3x62 and it casts great and shoots great too. Cast from 3:1 lead/linotype and using AR2208 (Varget), he drops the jacketed bullet charge 10 grains. With the jacketed bullet sight setting approx. 1.5 inches high at 100m, the cast bullet is on at 50m, and that is all that is needed for shooting feral pigs along river banks and in scrub. It hits hard and does a lot of damage. Recoil and report is easy to live with compared to the full power jacketed loads. No idea of the velocity.

I have just measured a few of the above mix, they measure .357 on the nose and .367-368 on the driving bands. NOE recently had a sale and my friend picked up a two cavity mould as above, but with hollow point, quite cheaply. Hasn't arrived yet. With the correct pins that bullet will do just about anything required, with really no difference between the 57mm and 62mm cases when using cast.


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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: eagleyes]
      #250776 - 20/07/14 10:24 PM

Thanks eagleeyes...I love the NOE mould I have for .358. Top notch stuff. I may have to give it a go. How do you lube your bullets? I assume they're gas checked?

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Squarebridge]
      #250789 - 21/07/14 02:21 AM

BLC2, a wonderful powder in the 9.3x62, is also a great powder in the 9.3x57.
The overall loaded length is VERY important as it greatly changes the velocities, but more importantly, the pressure generated.
All of my loads showed VERY low pressure in my M46 Husky (M94action)

270gr. 50.0gr. BLC2 - 2,111fps
270gr. 53.0gr. BLC2 - 2,300fps - 3.070" OAL
225gr. 56.0gr. BLC2 - 2,550fps - 2.990" OAL
232gr. 56.0gr. BLCs - 2.450fps - 2.990" OAL

for example:
232gr. Norma Vulcan - 50.0gr. H4895 - 2,442fps - 2.865" OAL
232gr. Norma Vulcan - 52.0gr. H4895 - 2,436fps - 2.990" OAL

These rifles have long freebores or leades or whatever you want to call the long chamber throat.
Im most rifles, you cannot seat the bullet out far enough to get close to the rifling lands. The more deeply you seat the bullet, the smaller you make the powder chamber, the higher the pressure and velocity - however - the further out you can seat the bullet, the greater the case capacity, the larger the expansion ratio - the lower the velocity and pressure, but usually the better the accuracy.

Thus it might take a 2 or 3 grains more powder to duplicate the speeds of the 'shorter' load, but they will usually be more accurate.

IMR4064 can, of course be used in this ctg. Some guys also use IMR3031, however I feel it's a bit on the fast side.

The reason some of these rifles have oversized bores and chambers, is there never was a REAL CIP law for this round.

Norma loads their ammo to something akin to 34,000PSI. These rifles, both 98's and 94 actions are also chambered for the 6.5x55 = 55,000spi, along with the 7x57, 8x57 and 9.3x62- all 57,00psi rounds. Has anyone ever heard of a .30/06 Husky on a M98 action?- that's 60,000psi and the M94 Huskys are also chambered in '06. The M98's of course are also chambered in .243, 6mm and .270 - 65,000psi rounds.

So- Do I load my 9.3x57 M46 (94 action) to 60,000psi - no but I also do not limit myself to exceptionally low pressures either.

My rifle has .019" headspace, which is excessive. If you fire a soft load, or merely fire a primed empty case and the primer sticks out - you have excessive headspace. This has nothing to do with the action used, it is a function of not having any CIP law on case body length. In the States, there is a standard, SAAMI, but it is not LAW. In Europe, CIP is LAW. There never was a LAW governing the 9.3x57- for some unknown reason.

My data above, produced in new 8x57 RP brass necked straight, then necked in the FL die to produce a false shoulder then fireformed, produces ammo that has "0" headspace. It also produces "0" case web expansion - up to 2.5 tenthousandths of an inch (1/4 of a thousandths) - yes - .00025" - not .0025 which would be 2 1/2 thousandths).

Here's the process:--necked over 9.3 expander button in FL die - 0 losses
--------------------necked straight - 1 pass - 0 losses.
---------------necked for crush fit - 1 pass into FL die 0 losses

fireformed with normal load - sub MOA accuracy and 0 losses. The brass is just about perfectly formed in the FL die.

No ANNEALING necessary.





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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #250793 - 21/07/14 03:21 AM

Here are the pictures of the 9.3mm bullet expansion/penetration tests I mentioned in an earlier reply post.

Privi 9.3mm 285 grain bullet. Impact velocity approximately 2000 fps. Penetrated 40+ inches of water. Expanded diameter .75". Retained weight 269 grains (94%) and 265 grains (93%).

RWS 9.3mm 200 grain bullet. Impact velocity approximately 2100 fps. Penetrated 32 inches of water. Expanded diameter .70". Retained Weight 164 grains (82%). This bullet was originally intended for the 9.3X72R Swiss loading per a Nitro Express member who is known here as Lancaster.


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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #250810 - 21/07/14 09:56 AM

SB
Lubed with LBT Blue Soft and gas checked with Hornady 375 checks in a RCBS Lubamatic. If you have a similar lubrisizer or a Lyman and need a .367 sizing die try Buffalo Arms.


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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: eagleyes]
      #250821 - 21/07/14 12:57 PM

Great info! What's going on in the second photo there...two separate sizing dies?

Perfect performance from that Prvi bullet


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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Squarebridge]
      #250849 - 22/07/14 03:09 AM

The dies merely 2 different die bodies used for expanding the necks straight. One, an old .284 Win. seating die from the junk bin, is merely a threaded collar for holding the expander plug that I cobbled up from die 'parts' and added the tapered expander plug that I turned ont eh little lathe I have.
This plug enlarges cases from .25 cal. up, to .42" cal. in one pass. The expander plug sticks 1/2 way out the bottom of the die, thus the case to be expanded merely is run up over the plug then retracted. The inner size, ie: .284 necking does not effect the case expansion. The die body is only used to hold the expander button.

Using this die, I have expanded .25/06 brass straight in one pass with no looses on once fired cases.

I use Imperial die wax or Ponsness Warren's STOS as the inside neck lubing for the expanding process.

The die body on the left is a .44 mag. expander die body, with an angle ground on the bottom of a .458 expander die plug so it will enter 8mm or larger case mouths. It expands them to .45 cal. in one pass.

I could have used the .458 (or .45/70) expander die body but didn't as I had the expander die body in the junk bin as well as the expander plug purchased as parts at a gun show. "Parts" like that are very handy to have around, so I usually pick them up is well priced.

A .44 mag. expander will also work if ground on the bottom to enter the smaller case mouths.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #251299 - 31/07/14 12:22 AM

That is an interesting topic. A friend of mine gave me a Husqvarna 146 in 9,3x57 a few years ago. It had two cosmetic problems. The bolt was bend like a dog leg but you could still not use the rifle with a scope and the receiver head had a few too much holes. After having plugged and welded two of the holes I made a special base out of a blank and used the remaining two holes for a swing mount. The bolt was cut and a new one was welded to the bolt body. The barrel looked like new so I was keen to see the performance.

Forming usable cases from 8x57 is not easy with this gun as I have a very tight chamber. I have to use a shortend shellholder in order to be able to set back the shoulder a few thousands more than the regular one allow. The case neck material is too thick so I either have to ream the inside of the neck out or have to turn the wall thickness down. I have slugged the barrel and it is very tight also as it measures .364”.

As I have experience with a few 9,3x62 and a 9,3x64 rifle I have plenty of bullets available. All in all I tried 6 different powders and 5 different bullet weights so far.
My rifle only prefers heavy bullets and anything lighter than 285 grains responds in decreased accuracy.
95 grs Speer (Markarov bullet, groups the size of my thumbnail in the 9,3x62) 6 inches and up
193 grs S&B (the 9,3x72Rbullet) 4 inches and up
231 factory Norma cartridge (full patch bullet) 3,5 inch and up
255 grs Geco 2,5 - 3 inch
270 grs Speer bullet 2,5 - 3 inch
286 grs S&B bullet 1,5 - 2 inch
285 grs Privi bullet 1 - 2 inch

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: RobertL]
      #251301 - 31/07/14 01:01 AM

Interesting Robert- I've not seen one wiht a shorter than 8mm headspacing body/shoulder length.


Also interesting in the tight neck problem - could be extra thick brass? The only time I ran into this was when forming some 9l.3x57's using .30/06 brass.

I did find PriviPartisan 9.3x57 brass to have thicker neck walls than necked up 8x57 RP brass.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #251320 - 31/07/14 05:34 AM

Daryl

I have used once fired brass from GECO, DAG and S&B as those are cheap available.
The 9,3x57 cartridge is listed with dimensions in the “Dritte Verordnung zum Waffengesetz” on December the 22, 1976.
If you compare the distance from the base to where the shoulder starts which is called L1 you have the following difference
8x57IS, L1 = 46,20mm
9,3x57, L1 = 45,86mm
So at least by this data the 8x57 should be too long in the shoulder area.

Let us compare the max outer diameter at the neck at the mouth called H2
9,3x57, H2 = 9,90mm and a listed bullet diameter of 9,25mm you have a difference of 0,65mm which lead to a neck wall thickness of 0,325mm.
8x57IS, H2 = 9,08mm and a listed bullet diameter of 8,22mm you have a difference of 0,86mm
which lead to a neck wall thickness of 0,43mm.

Even if some of the neck thickness is lost during the neck up process, it is no wonder that formed 8x57 brass could be too thick in the neck area.

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Re: My new Husqvarna 146 [Re: RobertL]
      #251327 - 31/07/14 07:27 AM

No- no - misunderstanding - formed 30-06 cases are usually too thick. 8x57's are perfect and thinner than 9.3x57 Privi's.

My rifle's 9.3x57 chamber is .019" LONGER than a normal 8x57 Case. Have a look at the picture of the cases I posted.

The first one is an 8x57 RP case.

The second is an 8x57 RP case necked up to hold a .366" bullet.

The third is an RP 8x57 case necked straight.

The fourth is a straight 8x57 necked straight case, necked down in a 9.3x57 Fl die only until it will fit the action with a slightly crushing feel to the bolt drop.

The neck/shoulder joint, is .019" further forward on the case that fits my chamber's shoulder than it is on the 8x57 case that is simply necked up.

Perhaps this only happens in the Husqvarna rifles - but it is common for guys here in Canada buying those, to experience primer protrusion when firing them with the normal light, Norma loads.

The firing pin hits the primer which shoves the case forward into the chamber where the shoulder stops it. The Primer ignites the powder, and as the pressure is building, the case sticks in the chamber. The roughly 35,000psi pressure is too light to shove the case back, or the case head back against the bolt, thus the primer protrudes. Sizing and firing that case a number of times will eventually stretch the case above the web, thus stopping the primer protrusion, however that case is headed for incipient case head separation at some point.

I make my brass fit the chamber before it is ever fired, so it NEVER splits above the web. I usually get tired of annealing and loading the same brass over and over for decades until I finally buy some new brass, and either throw out the perfectly good, old brass or as usual end up storing it. I am still using brass in my 9.3x62 that I made up form '06 brass back in the early 80's. Just recently bought some Nosler brass - wonderful stuff, love it.

We understand the problem with sloppy headspace on these Husky 9.3x57 rifles as being due to the fact, the 9.3x57 escaped being listed & thus regulated in CIP rule books. There is no 9.3x57 case shape and dimension listed by CIP, however it is listed at the low pressure level that Norma loads it to - thus poor ballistics in such great rifles.

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Daryl


"a rifle without hammers, is like a Spaniel without ears" Edward VII


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