SharpsNitro
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I spotted this hunt for what may be the next world record red stag, pretty amazing rack from the photos. The price is out of sight:
http://www.eurooptic.com/Trophy-Hunt.aspx
Edited by NitroX (08/03/14 05:42 PM)
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Rule303
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Pass, that rack is just plain ugly to my eye. Bred to produce as much velvet as possible. For that price get 3 to 4 good Elephant hunts in.
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SharpsNitro
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This type of rack seems to be what draws the big money. I can appreciate it from the sheer excess, I can't understand the value. I've looked at making the trip to hunt NZ, primarily for tahr, the prices the red stag bring just amaze me.
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Shopping cart Red Stag!
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HuntingSchneider
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Ugly as the proverbial.
A chemical produced abomination for the "discerning" collector of freaks of human creation.
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SharpsNitro
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Ugly as the proverbial.
A chemical produced abomination for the "discerning" collector of freaks of human creation.
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Can you elaborate? I really don't know much about NZ game so I would be interested to hear about issues regarding the red stag there.
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Michael
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I am not against game farmed animals to be hunted on preserves but this is a freak of nature that is just plain ugly to my eye.
The sad thing is that someone will pay for this hunt and it will/may obtain a entry at the top of the record books.
Should be a separate record book maintained for these types of animals and hunts.
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tophet1
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Ugly as the proverbial.
A chemical produced abomination for the "discerning" collector of freaks of human creation.
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Can you elaborate? I really don't know much about NZ game so I would be interested to hear about issues regarding the red stag there.
A lot of what is available is farm bred for the record books. Just about everything has some kind of management involved, from improved pasture, enhanced feed, genetics, hormone supplements etc.. If you have strong hunting ethics it can create a huge problem doing the kind of hunt you want. Free range Red Deer in NZ is available, but most deer is managed for a price. You just have to weigh up what and how you want to hunt.
I'm always happy to compromise but some people aren't and some just don't know the difference. I took a 14 pt (F.1 cross) Red Stage that had a high level of genetic input previously, but was living on a low fenced private property with enhanced pasture, next to a National Park.
If you are a cashed up, time poor SCI type, then you can buy what you want.
Deer management in NZ is very advanced and I believe genetics are exported back to Scotland where Red Deer have been pushed out of their natural forest environment into the open tops.
Edited by tophet1 (28/12/13 08:29 PM)
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A specimen for the Sundry Chequebooks International list...
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SharpsNitro
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tophet1,
Thanks for the background. I'm not big on paying trophy fees so the prices the reds draw in NZ always amazed me. I still want to go there to hunt, my goal is one of the public land hunts using the hut system with tahr as the main target.
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CarlsenHighway
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The stags in the pictures for this hunt are farm bred animals. That stag pictured is as used to people as your pet cat.
Wild red deer do not grow heads like that, and these stags do not live long. Their skulls can crack open from the weight of the antler they are not designed by nature to carry.
Deer on the private properties that are selling hunting packages are virtually all farm bred and managed animals. They will call it 'free range' which it can be sometimes technically, but the animal itseff was living on a farm until a month beforehand. If an operator is offering gold/wilver/branze animals, then they are definately farm animals and even can be handfed. One famous example was shown on the internet after the shooting, in a safari pose ($20K worth) - later a picture surfaced with the same stag being handfed apples earlier.
The stock trucks round here are very busy in March each year trucking all the farm stags sold at auction out to the "game estates" where they are released ( into a paddock ) into the hunting grounds.
The 'guides' have photos of these animals taped to the fridge door so they can remember which one is which and where they are found on the property. These are hunting theme parks. There is no way any kind of world record could stand in any hunting organisation based on those stags.
There is no regulation of guides or outfitters in NZ, and they are not the same kind of businesses. A 'guide' may not the same kind of thing you will be familiar with in the United States, nor is he a ghillie like in Scotland.
Sharpsnitro, despite game estate salesmen who tell foreign hunters that nz deer is all shot out and the helicopters have killed everything, it is still possible to shoot wild red stags in the NZ mountains for free, in the national parks, using the hut system. Best time of year for an overseas hunter is April, during the roar.
Tahr are easy.
A fair level of fitness is required for hunting in NZ - it's all backpack hunting to a degree, although it can be as hard or as easy as you want to make it.
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Matt_Graham
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A chemical produced abomination for the "discerning" collector of freaks of human creation.
Which chemicals exactly? I am curious...
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Should be a separate record book maintained for these types of animals and hunts.
SCI does have two separate record books for these animals and their wild-born counterparts.
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Wild red deer do not grow heads like that, and these stags do not live long. Their skulls can crack open from the weight of the antler they are not designed by nature to carry.
Well, there skull may crack because the bone is not developed enough to carry the weight... because their antlers are removed every year previously for velvet production. If they carry their antlers every year they are unlikely to crack from the weight.
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I shot seven farm bred bucks last week. I guess they were potential trophies too ... 
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Buchsemann
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Ah yes, the price of compensation. 
I'll have to pass as I don't have any of the combination of unlimited funds, huge ego, and small dick to justify making such a purchase.
I just hope the poor critter doesn't die tethered to a pole. 
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CarlsenHighway
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A chemical produced abomination for the "discerning" collector of freaks of human creation.
Which chemicals exactly? I am curious...
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Should be a separate record book maintained for these types of animals and hunts.
SCI does have two separate record books for these animals and their wild-born counterparts.
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Wild red deer do not grow heads like that, and these stags do not live long. Their skulls can crack open from the weight of the antler they are not designed by nature to carry.
Well, there skull may crack because the bone is not developed enough to carry the weight... because their antlers are removed every year previously for velvet production. If they carry their antlers every year they are unlikely to crack from the weight.
Really.
You're a booking agent aren't you?
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Matt_Graham
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A chemical produced abomination for the "discerning" collector of freaks of human creation.
Which chemicals exactly? I am curious...
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Should be a separate record book maintained for these types of animals and hunts.
SCI does have two separate record books for these animals and their wild-born counterparts.
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Wild red deer do not grow heads like that, and these stags do not live long. Their skulls can crack open from the weight of the antler they are not designed by nature to carry.
Well, there skull may crack because the bone is not developed enough to carry the weight... because their antlers are removed every year previously for velvet production. If they carry their antlers every year they are unlikely to crack from the weight.
Really.
You're a booking agent aren't you?
Which bit are you referring to? Too cryptic. The question about the chemicals was genuine. I dont know the answer.
Are you suggesting I am a hypocrit? No... people can pay for these stags if they want to. It's all about choices andd telling the truth.
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my wife is telling me that we already have a feather duster!
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