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Monsieur le tigre (Mr Tiger) Indochina
      #234555 - 23/08/13 01:28 AM

Mr. Tiger ...

 Monsieur le Tigre, Indochine

Indochina = Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, South of China

google translation

In his book "On the Mandarin Road" published in 1925, Roland Dorgelès debunks the myth, and tells the behind the scenes scenes of popular hunting travelers fortunate ... However, the tiger kills, it is a reality. This is the number one enemy of Postal Workers. Villages, particularly in the Upper Tonkin, are forced to build fortifications against him, and set up watchmen on the towers at night. Feasting in the forest, he ventured into the villages where hunger grows out of the forests deserted by its prey. It then becomes a danger that must be disposed of by beating monsters .... An estimated 80,000, the number of tigers in the early century.

Why "Mr. Tiger"? : Annamite have such a superstitious fear, they treat him well and worship, believing that these marks of respect their spare his anger.

Excerpts from "On the Road Mandarine"



      "The Tiger:. Ong cop, Mr. Tiger, as obsequiously called Annamese We talk a lot, Indo-China, but, thank God, we do not often encounter.

Beware of those travelers whose stories are filled with roaring and leaping animals, these intrepid souls who were thrown head first, into the thorn bushes to escape the angry buffalo, who spent hours astride a industry, besieged by elephants, or been eaten by the tiger had they not had the composure to stare into his eyes, to scare him.

There are tigers in Indo-China, many tigers can be as much as wild boar in France, but there, as here, there must be a hunter to meet them and it is rare to see a jump over the hood of an automobile, as happened to the lady who went to Dalat, and then made the vows never to venture on the roads at night Langbian.

Sometimes we hear screaming tiger in the forest, often you are shown on the floor his terrible footprint at any time through the villages, you will learn a dog, a pig, a horse, a buffalo Similarly, a carried away by Ong Cop, or a native was eaten, but it is not often venture into the tiger populated places, and it was only when he became old when his legs stiffened do it allow more deer hunting, he ventures to the outskirts of villages to feed livestock, and humans needed. Still not he throw on isolated: a lumberjack in a wood, a nhaqué (farmers) joining his rice field in the mountains "[...]

Hunting



. "Nothing less heroic than those shipments Be in dollars and a gun, you will have the tiger again the gun is not it absolutely indispensable. They will lend you a While .... dollars.

The main forest-guard who can send you if you are a brand character - a young man, voluntary face, which has already killed fifty wild elephants and as many cats - will worry succinctly caliber your weapon and your qualities shooter, then advise you on your suit and shoes, and after a conversation that has not demanded fifty words, you return to the hotel by saying:

- I will warn you.

The tiger is ordered, it'll just wait ....

[...]

- Sir, this is for today.

[...] You will go by car.

Not far from there, you will go down. 300 meters you will undergrowth and you stop behind a screen of foliage, about twenty meters from the carrion.

- You see, sometimes there ...

[...] Soon you are surrounded by a cloud of mosquitoes that bite you in the face, feet, hands, through your clothes, everywhere. It rubs the head is shaken, is crushed in blood stains on the cheek. A slap too violent, the great hunter angry you tap on the shoulder. No noise, of course! Is the tiger mosquito or you came out?!

You have time to think, to this and many other things. But suddenly you were warned, without a gesture, a pressure of the hand. Warning .. We have not heard anything, but you look, all eyes. The heart beats a little faster though. Let's watch, upright, weapon ready. Suddenly the bushes move, and we see ...

It's him! He leaves branches, quietly .. How big it is! We already have the stick in place. The tiger who turned his head moves forward, soft and slow ... In the face ... Fire! Fire!

The two shots rang out. Two short flames ... It's done. [...]

    The next day you will have your tiger stripped like a rabbit and you bring triumphantly in his skin touque gasoline filled with coarse salt, without knowing exactly what you can make. In Saigon, there is much you admire, because it was used, and Paris, we will believe you much. But still, you'll be the man who killed "tigers" ...



Excerpts from "My old Annam" - Pierre Sauvaire Marquis de Barthélemy (1891)

- "There are many tiger here I asked a Chinese prefect who came to tea with us?

 - Very much, he answered me,

- What do you do to get rid of?

- Any native who brings a tiger skin receives 10 dollars and 10 strokes of the cane,

As I displayed my surprise, the potbellied prefect hastened to add:

- The 10 piastres are intended to reward the courage of the man who delivered the land of a dangerous animal, but it is worth remembering that, although it is brave enough to tackle the king of animals, n 'remains under the authority of Mandarin. This is the purpose of strokes of the cane, which, moreover, are slightly applied. "

 

The Marquis of Bartholomew traveled Indochina and recounted his travels in several works: In northern Indochina (1894-1895), Indochina Cochin (1896-1897), Au Pays Me (1903). It was only after a thorough study of the country that he decided to go and found, with Mr. de Pourtales, another well-known author, the coal depot and refueling Cam RONH.

 

Indochine - The French colonial empire - Maspero 1929

 

"The tiger is spread throughout Indochina, but it starts to become scarce in Cochin, deer are its main food being slaughtered indiscriminately by the disastrous practice of hunting lantern. Tiger marshes is much the most formidable and the most ferocious. He willingly attack the natives. Having tasted human flesh, he can not do without. Entire families are removed and by the wild beasts. Indigenous prey in a superstitious terror react sluggishly when in the presence of "Ong cop," the Lord tiger. Their rudimentary weapons are powerless to protect them. Trap door is effective but rarely use it, believing that the spirit of the tiger return pursue its evil. Generally Europeans do fall into the clutches of the tiger that during hunting parties where they are most often the victims of their own imprudence. "

and a gift for those who read the whole








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Edited by NitroX (23/08/13 02:27 AM)


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Re: Monsieur le tigre (Mr Tiger) Indochina [Re: larcher]
      #234562 - 23/08/13 04:24 AM

its an interesting and forgotten area maybe everything darkened because of the damned long years of war in indochine
if you dont had see this I stumple also about this theme http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=218490&an=0&page=0#Post218490

problem is that most of the books are only available in french. one have to found a publishing house and make good quality but affordable english editions for the international armchair hunter.

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Re: Monsieur le tigre (Mr Tiger) Indochina [Re: lancaster]
      #234566 - 23/08/13 06:07 AM

Lancaster

There are scores of french hunting books, but most of them had fairly low circulation. So they are often unknown, and as rare , pretty expensive. Why spending big money for a book one can't know whether it' worth or not? Moreover, the quality is variable.
Note that a French edition could interest very few people compared to English speaking people.
One editor is dynamic, Editions de Montbel, who edits recent hunting safaris and stories, but also reedits old books and foreign hunting books, for a sensible price.
look at the catalog : catalogue de Montbel
I am pretty sure that an audacious editor, blessed by a far ampler market could succeed in publishing in English foreign books.
Though my English is akward, I have read most of the classical English books, and many of my friends would love to be able to read them, should their English be better.
We also are prisonners of our language.

Thanks for the links to French books you Bought in Indochine. Unknown to me? I am offloading one, thanks for providing the link.
I wonder whether I'll try to translate an interesting hunting book in English. If I begin with Google translator and then correct the translation (at my humble level) it could be fun for the forumites..........should the copyright police not single me.

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Edited by larcher (23/08/13 06:43 AM)


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Re: Monsieur le tigre (Mr Tiger) Indochina [Re: larcher]
      #234568 - 23/08/13 06:42 AM

I read the book "les grandes chasses en Indochine" (big game hunting in Indochina)thanks to the link you provided me

In 1937 pricing in actual 2013 US dollars

safari one month 12 000 $

permit : 200 $
for
2 elephants
1 rhinoceros
6 bantengs
5 Gaurs (seladang)
4 water buffalos
the rest (tiger, leopard, croc, antelopes,deers are free and limitless)

incredbly cheap

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Re: Monsieur le tigre (Mr Tiger) Indochina [Re: larcher]
      #234572 - 23/08/13 10:59 AM

Other than the few English speaking hunters that hunted Indo-China and wrote about it, it is largely an unknown history of hunting and exploration in the English speaking world. Other than those who also read/speak French.

Very interesting always to see these snippets from the hunting past from Indo-China (Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos) and the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia).

Such an excuse is not possible for British Malaysia and Burma, surely very similar hunting territories?

A great thread would be to catalogue English ( French and Dutch for speakers of French or Flemish) books from these areas with the subjects of hunting and exploration. If any are still available in print or not too expensive as vintage books, I think they would be very interesting.

I am keen to one day see if I can hunt in Viet Nam, Cambodia or Laos. I think it would be a neat adventure and something very different. Hopefully affordable of course.

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Re: Monsieur le tigre (Mr Tiger) Indochina [Re: NitroX]
      #234598 - 24/08/13 12:14 AM

John
Good idea to have a catalog.
I am working at that

I just bought


Locke, A.
Tigres de Malaisie (Tigers of Malaysia)


Description
From 1949 to 1951, Colonel Locke was responsible for protecting the people and animals against attacks by tigers, northeast of Malaysia.
The story of his hunting is illustrated with photos in black and white.

I am not sure this book from an English colonel exists in English???

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Another English writer, a Brit General who fought Napoleon and wrote about his battles,
published in French


Reginald G. Burton
The man-eaters. Tigers, lions, leopards, jaguars, wolves, crocodiles ...
Paris, MONTBEL 2012. in-8, 13.5 x 20 cm, paperback, 296 pages. Full text.

An incredible gallery of terrible damage the fiercest of beasts and other animals, from antiquity to the nineteenth century: lion, tigers, panthers, jaguars, wolves, crocodiles and snakes and sharks. Many accounts of hunts punctuate these pages. A chapter is devoted to even cannibals!
General Reginald George Burton (1864-1951), a specialist in wars of the Empire, spent part of his military career in India. There chased the tiger and was interested in meticulous historian, the most ferocious animals in the world.

"Shortly after the beginning of the hunt, the beast announced his presence by a terrible roar. The roars approached more the slope on top of which I was pole. The tiger was pushed by touts who gathered around him, so there was no way to escape. The men went into the trees with some difficulties. Suddenly this huge tiger came rushing in from the jungle below and precipita to me climbing the slope. I fired, hitting him in the body, but he continued his bonds and he still took me two or three times to finish, it was a beautiful animal and all those I have tires, it was he who had the most beautiful skin. "

Not available in English?

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Re: Monsieur le tigre (Mr Tiger) Indochina [Re: NitroX]
      #234599 - 24/08/13 12:25 AM

John
Good idea to have a catalog.
I am working at that

I just bought


Locke, A.
Tigres de Malaisie (Tigers of Malaysia)


Description
From 1949 to 1951, Colonel Locke was responsible for protecting the people and animals against attacks by tigers, northeast of Malaysia.
The story of his hunting is illustrated with photos in black and white.

I am not sure this book from an English colonel exists in English???
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also just bought


4 years of a rubber planter in Malaysia, fighting elephants and cats

Available in English?


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Another English writer, a Brit General who fought Napoleon and wrote about his battles,
published in French


Reginald G. Burton
The man-eaters. Tigers, lions, leopards, jaguars, wolves, crocodiles ...
Paris, MONTBEL 2012. in-8, 13.5 x 20 cm, paperback, 296 pages. Full text.

An incredible gallery of terrible damage the fiercest of beasts and other animals, from antiquity to the nineteenth century: lion, tigers, panthers, jaguars, wolves, crocodiles and snakes and sharks. Many accounts of hunts punctuate these pages. A chapter is devoted to even cannibals!
General Reginald George Burton (1864-1951), a specialist in wars of the Empire, spent part of his military career in India. There he chased the tiger and was interested in the most ferocious animals in the world with a meticulous historian way.

"Shortly after the beginning of the hunt, the beast announced his presence by a terrible roar. The roars approached the slope on top of which I was posted. The tiger was pushed by touts who gathered around him, so there was no way to escape. The men went into the bush with some difficulties. Suddenly this huge tiger came rushing in from the jungle below and rushed to me climbing the slope. I fired, hitting him in the body, but he continued his jumps and he still took me two or three shoot to finish him, it was a beautiful animal and of all those I have shot, it was he who had the most beautiful skin. "

Not available in English?

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Re: Monsieur le tigre (Mr Tiger) Indochina [Re: larcher]
      #234611 - 24/08/13 05:28 AM

yes, a catalog is what we need
Henry de Monestrol "Chasses et Faune D'Indochine" published in Saigon by A. Portail in 1952


Henri de Monestrol was a hunter in the service of H.M. Bảo Đại, the last emperor of Vietnam. His title is given as Lieutenant louveterie, an old official French title for those responsible for wild animals, which was originally conferred on wolf hunters. Henri de Monestrol dedicated the book to Emperor Bảo Đại.

The book runs to 356 pages. It is quite possibly an expanded version of earlier works by the same author that were published under the same title by the Imprimerie d’Extreme Orient in Hanoi in 1925 (167 pages) and 1931 (132 pages).

The first part of the book covers general information on hunting (equipment and armaments), large quadrupeds (elephant, rhinoceros, ox, gaur, wild ox and kouprey), medium-sized animals (tiger, panthers, bears, tapir, boar and deer), and smaller animals. It also provides a list of many animals of Indochina, hunting regulations, and information on the preparation of trophies and the use of game meat. As a side note, Vietnam’s famous butterfly collector Nguyễn Viết Vui of Phan Thiết, who is now in his 80s, learned how to skin and preserve animals from Henri de Monestrol.

The second part includes a range of stories from life “In the Bush of Annam”, with titles like “memories of hunting and life stories”, “a wounded animal is not a dead animal”, “encounters with panthers” and “a hunt in a village of the northern mountains”.




J. BORDENEUVE "LES GRANDES CHASSE EN INDOCHINE TIGRE OURS BORDENEUVE ILLUST"ALBERT PORTAIL SAIGON 1925






"Les grandes chasses en Indochine" by A. PLAS/PH






Jean Fraisse
DERNIÈRES CHASSES EN INDOCHINE
Tigres, éléphants, gaurs et autres grands gibiers 1946-1954

Le docteur Fraisse arriva au Laos en 1946. Chasseur passionné, il découvrit la faune mythique des territoires laotiens, cambodgiens et des hauts plateaux moïs: tigre, éléphant, gaur, kouprey, banteng, buffle.
Avec beaucoup de modestie et de passion, entre deux consultations, il partait, souvent à la boussole, à la recherche des grands animaux, dans des régions très isolées. Avec les tribus montagnardes, il partageait la jarre d’alcool de riz le soir à la veillée, et sa connaissance de la langue laotienne lui fit découvrir légendes et récits de la grande forêt.
Jean Fraisse raconte avec plaisir ses succès et ses déceptions, comme cet ours noir d’Asie aperçu dans le lit d’une rivière et qui s’évapora à moins de 100 m !
En 1954, à la suite de la poussée du viet-minh, il dut quitter l’Indochine avec sa femme. Ce récit, d’une valeur remarquable, constitue donc le dernier témoignage de la chasse sportive en Indochine française.

Photos en noir et blanc.

TABLE DES MATIÈRES

I Débuts et tâtonnements
II Premières rencontres avec le grand gibier
III Initiation
IV Les gaurs de Plei Kobay
V Le tigre de Kon Xom
VI Les tigres d’Indochine
VII L’éléphant du Dak Mar
VIII Animaux rares
IX Trophées et mensurations
Bovidés
Un bon trophée
Éléphants
Tigres
X Les approches et les risques
XI Le Ya-Lup
Premières sorties sur l’Ea Hléo
La piste de l’Ea Hléo
La descente de la rivière
La jeep sur le Ya-Lup
La réserve
EXTRAITS DE L’OUVRAGE :

« Il y a encore beaucoup de tigres en Indochine. Il n’y a guère de village qui n’ait à se plaindre de leurs méfaits, il n’y a guère de pistes le long desquelles l’œil exercé ne repère de grattis. Aucun habitant de la brousse indochinoise qu’il soit vietnamien, cambodgien, laotien ou montagnard ne s’éloigne à 50 m de son village la nuit sans penser au tigre. On n’en parle pas mais on y pense toujours. Et on a raison car chaque année des dizaines, sinon des centaines de villageois meurent sous la griffe du seigneur rayé.
Dans la seule province de Pleiku en 1953, je crois pouvoir affirmer qu’au moins vingt humains ont été tués par les tigres. Parmi les quelques tigres que j’ai tués, deux tigresses avaient chacune une grand-mère sur la conscience. »

Paris, Montbel, 2008. 13,5 x 20 cm, broché, 264 pages.


Roussel, Lucien
Chasses en Indochine. Récits vécus. Cochinchine 1893-1908
Paris, Montbel, 2010. In-8, 15 x 21 cm, broché, 184 pages.


Sous-officier de l’infanterie coloniale, Lucien Roussel participe à l’expédition française contre le Siam. Cette campagne s’achève en 1893 dans des conditions matérielles difficiles. Les troupes sont affaiblies par le manque de nourriture, les piqûres d’insectes et les pluies diluviennes. Pour tenter d’améliorer les rations moisies, Roussel et quelques compagnons vont tenter de chasser autour des postes. Revenu à la vie civile, Roussel s’installe à Saigon. Mais le virus de la chasse le reprend. Il restera dix-huit ans en Indochine où il chasse le très abondant gibier des forêts et des plaines de Cochinchine et des hauts plateaux de l’Annam, de la sauvagine à l’éléphant, du gaur à l’ours, du sanglier au rhinocéros, du paon au chevreuil.
Livre neuf.



Récits de chasse en Indochine - René de Buretel de Chassey.

"Hauts Plateaux de l'Annam, Ban Méthuot 29 avril 1929 - 10 août 1931".

128 pages.

Ed. L'Harmattan.

Année: 1998.
4e de couverture:

« Le lieutenant René de Buretel de Chassey a 24 ans lorsqu'il débarque en Indochine. Il est affecté à Ban Méthuot, chef-lieu du Darlac, une des 16 provinces de l'Annam, à 300 km au nord-est de Saïgon.

Ce sont ses récits de chasse et observations, notés au jour le jour, qui sont présentés ici, agrémentés de photographies d'époque prises par l'auteur qui ne se débarrassera plus dès lors du virus de l'Indochine et donnera sa vie en 1946 pour revenir défendre cette perle de l'empire. Un aspect de l'épopée coloniale du temps où la France, encore grande puissance, menait de front son expansion territoriale et sa mission civilisatrice. »










NITROX, maybe its possible to safe the 1920 and 1937 Hunting guide in Articles & Online Books
http://www.google.de/imgres?q=indochine+...&ved=1t:429

http://www.google.de/imgres?q=indochine+...&ved=1t:429

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