lancaster
.470 member
Reged: 06/05/08
Posts: 9502
Loc: There's a lighthouse in the mi...
|
|
this is the best vintage airgun I have seen in years
https://ateliersaintetienne31.fr/armes-d...t-fin-18eme-d1/
JOH : MÜLLER :IN PERLSBERG now in czechia
--------------------
Norwegian hunter misses moose, shoots man on toilet
.
bringing civilisation to the barbarians
|
85lc
.400 member
Reged: 19/01/18
Posts: 1185
Loc: Georgia, USA
|
|
What a very beautiful air rifle. Great craftsmanship. Thanks for sharing.
--------------------
RB
|
Huvius
.416 member
Reged: 04/11/07
Posts: 3612
Loc: Colorado
|
|
That rear sight is fantastic how the aperture is adjusted within the sight body!
Very cool!
--------------------
He who lives in the past is doomed to enjoy it.
|
DarylS
.700 member
Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 27681
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
|
|
Certainly is an interesting design and high-end rifle.
--------------------
Daryl
"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V
|
lancaster
.470 member
Reged: 06/05/08
Posts: 9502
Loc: There's a lighthouse in the mi...
|
|
send the pics to a friend in czechia who collect old bohemian made guns because it falls into his area. he write me back that he was the second bidder on this years ago and be happy it still exist but it dont become cheaper over the time - quite the opposite 
the design is typical for old german airguns and also came into the united states by german gunmakers. before the great war they were made most notably by Oskar Will Venuswaffenwerk in Zella St. Blasii, since 1919 connected with Mehlis into Zella Mehlis near Suhl
here is typical Kurbelspanner https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/spring-piston-crank-wound-airguns/o-will-kurbelspanner/
the design was later simplified by adding a lever like this one
https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=8223315#
from time to time I get lust to by such a airgun
--------------------
Norwegian hunter misses moose, shoots man on toilet
.
bringing civilisation to the barbarians
|
DarylS
.700 member
Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 27681
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
|
|
WOW - the Kurbelspanner rifle in the first link is sure in rough shape.
--------------------
Daryl
"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V
|
lancaster
.470 member
Reged: 06/05/08
Posts: 9502
Loc: There's a lighthouse in the mi...
|
|
friend send me pics of a Francotte in5,6x35R Vierling with a Warnant action, something you only see on 6mm and 9 mm Flobert guns http://littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20t%20w/a%20warnant%20creon%20julien%20gb.htm
--------------------
Norwegian hunter misses moose, shoots man on toilet
.
bringing civilisation to the barbarians
|
lancaster
.470 member
Reged: 06/05/08
Posts: 9502
Loc: There's a lighthouse in the mi...
|
|
the dream of a boy's gun, would like to see how it works: LANGENHAM, GERMANY
A RARE .177 & 9mm (FLOBERT) BREAK-BARREL CONVERTIBLE AIR-RIFLE, MODEL 'ARBENZ PATENT GEM', serial no. 10413,
circa 1910, with smooth-bore .177 insert inside the smooth-bore 17 3/4in. two-stage blued shot-barrel, dove-tailed fore-sight, standing notch rear-sight to the dolls-head locking latch, the top-flat of barrel signed 'PATENT' with the Langenham crossed pistol trade-mark and 'GEM No. 10413', the left hand upper flat marked 'ARBENZ'S PATENT', the breech-face marked '13 20673 95' on the barrel section, the air-chamber face with floating firing pin and marked '73', two exposed tabs for inner barrel removal and a further wing-nut on the right hand side possibly for pin replacement, slanted nickel-plated air-chamber, walnut butt-stock, semi crescent plated heel-plate, plated cocking link forming the trigger-guard (link pin poor replacement) and much original finish remaining
https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/as...5&saletype=
must be a air gun but how do it work with the the 9 mm Flobert rimfire?
--------------------
Norwegian hunter misses moose, shoots man on toilet
.
bringing civilisation to the barbarians
|
Englishman
.275 member
Reged: 09/12/09
Posts: 62
Loc: Lot,France
|
|
Lancaster, Much to my surprize I do not find the Selous plates to be uncomfortable on my G Gibbs in 303, (obviously re barrelled from something more interesting), even in the 40 deg C temperatures here in France, I am sure this is due to the fact that the plates are very thin, and closely fitted the stock , I have not yet tested them in sub zero temperatures. Stay safe! Chris B.
|
lancaster
.470 member
Reged: 06/05/08
Posts: 9502
Loc: There's a lighthouse in the mi...
|
|
werder hunting rifle https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=9663776
--------------------
Norwegian hunter misses moose, shoots man on toilet
.
bringing civilisation to the barbarians
|
lancaster
.470 member
Reged: 06/05/08
Posts: 9502
Loc: There's a lighthouse in the mi...
|
|
6 mm flobert single shot break action but coming with a second shorter barrel
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=10045912#img
--------------------
Norwegian hunter misses moose, shoots man on toilet
.
bringing civilisation to the barbarians
|
chapmen
.300 member
Reged: 26/02/10
Posts: 247
Loc: Middle of germany
|
|
Oberhammer/ München Combination, yet unknown caliber 5,6mm and 16-65
--------------------
some fine old guns from germany :
www.jagdwaffensammler.de
|
lancaster
.470 member
Reged: 06/05/08
Posts: 9502
Loc: There's a lighthouse in the mi...
|
|
love this rifles with a shotgun barrel underneath
do you think this a Mauser 71 action modification?
--------------------
Norwegian hunter misses moose, shoots man on toilet
.
bringing civilisation to the barbarians
|
DarylS
.700 member
Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 27681
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
|
|
Appears to me to be a similar flavour, however I think it is a "one-off" gun designed and 'custom' made, likely in a German or Austrian shop.
It is also similar (idea) to some of Billinghurst Harmonica-actions of the percussion period in the USA.
Quite an interesting design and operation, with the shotgun chamber sliding sideways to be in line with the action and butt stock.
--------------------
Daryl
"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V
|
chapmen
.300 member
Reged: 26/02/10
Posts: 247
Loc: Middle of germany
|
|
Quote:
do you think this a Mauser 71 action modification?
Havent it in my hands right now, but i dont think its an 71 action.
--------------------
some fine old guns from germany :
www.jagdwaffensammler.de
|
chapmen
.300 member
Reged: 26/02/10
Posts: 247
Loc: Middle of germany
|
|
Quote:
Appears to me to be a similar flavour, however I think it is a "one-off" gun designed and 'custom' made, likely in a German or Austrian shop.
Quite an interesting design and operation, with the shotgun chamber sliding sideways to be in line with the action and butt stock.
Oberhammer in Munich had an "DRGM" on this construction or parts. This "DRGM" was granted in July 1896. The title referred to a "military rifle with a shot barrel underneath". But - this system of the gun i bought i have never seen as military system. Oberhammer was able to manufacture weapons himself, so I assume that the weapon was made in his workshop. As you can see in the link rifles like these from Oberhammer are known- but with the Mauser98 System.
http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/oberhammer-peter-of-munich/
--------------------
some fine old guns from germany :
www.jagdwaffensammler.de
|
lancaster
.470 member
Reged: 06/05/08
Posts: 9502
Loc: There's a lighthouse in the mi...
|
|
nice rigby rimfire rifle https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=9661939
--------------------
Norwegian hunter misses moose, shoots man on toilet
.
bringing civilisation to the barbarians
|
DarylS
.700 member
Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 27681
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
|
|
Now THAT is pretty cool & with beautiful colours!
--------------------
Daryl
"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V
|
prairie_ghost
.300 member
Reged: 19/07/08
Posts: 155
Loc: casper, wy
|
|
Regarding these little rifles what is the function of the spring mounted on the left side of the action.
|
bouldersmith
.375 member
Reged: 23/03/06
Posts: 629
Loc: Boulder Colorado
|
|
That is the non-selective ejector spring, unlike on a quality double gun, these rook rifles eject the spent case or unfired cartridge every time the gun is opened up.
--------------------
New website http://www.bertramandco.com
|
prairie_ghost
.300 member
Reged: 19/07/08
Posts: 155
Loc: casper, wy
|
|
Thank you.
|
chapmen
.300 member
Reged: 26/02/10
Posts: 247
Loc: Middle of germany
|
|
Going back to the Oberhammer combination #344744......
So, the riddle continues .....
Chamber cast gives exact the dimensions for the 5,6x52R aka .22 Savage High Power. But - this system is too weak for that, only locking over the bolt handle approach. What the hell.......
--------------------
some fine old guns from germany :
www.jagdwaffensammler.de
|
DarylS
.700 member
Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 27681
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
|
|
Was there a European low pressure loading for that round?
--------------------
Daryl
"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V
|
chapmen
.300 member
Reged: 26/02/10
Posts: 247
Loc: Middle of germany
|
|
I have never heard of one, nor is it mentioned in the literature of the time i have. A mystery to me.
--------------------
some fine old guns from germany :
www.jagdwaffensammler.de
|
DarylS
.700 member
Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 27681
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
|
|
Interesting the chamber, 5.6x52R would be for that round, a lever action round of 48,000PSI on pezio, 42,000(crusher) CIP numbers. There are no SAAMI numbers for it listed in the KwK chart.
--------------------
Daryl
"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
Edit
Reply
Quote
