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71-84, .43 cal., Mauser
      #227189 - 18/03/13 09:14 AM

Had a chance to purchase the above "Sporter". Not here yet so no pics., but a few
questions. I know it is black powder gun but would gather, if one used common sense,
smokeless loads could be had by reloading? / Is ammo. still produced by someone?

Can these be re-barreled to something like a rimmed 8mm.as in the 88 Mauser?

Do any members have one of these in commercial dress? I would like to see
a pic. / two

Just curious for now but any comment / input will be appreciated. --- John

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: John303]
      #227210 - 19/03/13 05:38 AM

believe it or not, the very first 8x57 was the 8x57IR with a mauser A-base rim. the german military try to rebarrel and rework the Mauser 71/84 before they switch over to the M88.





I would not recommend to rebarrel the 71/84 into a rimmend 8mm. there must have been reasons the german military dont go this way. but there is a very easy possibility: the Steyr made Kropatschek M 1886 in 8x60R




the original blackpowder loaded 8x60R was successful changed into the nitro loaded 8x58R ,iirc, in the 1890s.
you can see that the Kropatschek based on the Mauser 71/84.

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #227251 - 20/03/13 05:21 AM

I stand corrected, the nitro loaded Kropatschek cartridge is the 8x56R Kropatschek
you see its very similar to the mauser 71 and 71/84 and build in the typical old and fine Steyr quality

Mauser 71




Mauser 71/84








here is a nice 71/84 hunting rifle
http://www.google.de/imgres?q=mauser+71&...=28&ndsp=33

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #227258 - 20/03/13 06:08 AM

lancaster;

What can you tell us about the metallurgy of the 71 & 71/84?

Were these case hardened actions, soft iron, high carbon steel, what?

Any ideas?

Curious as to the strength as well.

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: 9.3x57]
      #227264 - 20/03/13 06:33 AM

its common sense that the 11mm Mauser rifles are safe to shoot with nitro loads giving the original ballistic. I think the weak point is the bolt action using only the bolt guide rib as a single locking lug.

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #227309 - 21/03/13 03:12 AM

Here's mine, a 71/76 - earlier version with a .457/.458" groove diameter, not .446" as in the M71/84 model. The deeper grooves were thought to help with longer shooting strings, in holding powder fouling from the .43 Mauser's 77gr. charge yet getting a good grip on the paper patched 370gr. soft bullet that would expand into the grooves, filling whatever room was available.
Unfortunately for shooters today having this model, who don't want to put up with mediocre accuracy of the over expanded (up to .011") paper patched bullet, the chamber will accept no larger a bullet than a .446" bullet. The bore diameter is nominally .437/.438". In the model 71/76, such as my carbine, the depth of rifling runs .010" to .0105" per side.
The alternatives for someone wanting to shoot this model are to either put up with the accuracy of the groosly undersized bullet, or to open up the chamber's neck to allow a larger bullet, ie; one of groove diameter.
Since at the time I acquired my rifle, .43 Mauser brass was not available to me, I simply re-chambered my rifle to the .450 Alaskan, with the pilot turned down to .437".
The results with a .45/70-type load of smokeless and with black powder are equally satisfying, even though the bore is in poor shape. Fire lapping helped immensely.
At 6 pounds, it boots quite smartly.






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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #227311 - 21/03/13 03:29 AM

I should note, that there were hundreds if not thousands of these rifles, model 71/76's and 71/84's imported into Canada as moose, deer and bear rifles, for many years right up into the 1950's or maybe into the 70's.
My cousin bought the one I pictured above from a local gun shop owner who dealt in hunting and military firearms from around the world. This was in Vancouver BC in the late 70's & it was a "new" shipment of these old military Mausers.

Dominion (Imperial) Ctg. Company in Canada produced smokeless ammo for them up until then, the 70's, I believe. That ammo had a groove lubricated bullet (Lyman's #) in either 340gr. or 370gr. The velocity was supposed to be over 1,300fps developing the equivalent of the original BP load. It was considerably more accurate in the M71/84's than the M71/76's, of course.
A fellow I worked with here in the North, stopped using his for moose (on and off) in the late 60's or early 70's, after he bought his first .338Win.Mag. Until then, it was mostly a .303 #3 or #4, or that old Mauser.

Be a fun pig gun.

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #227769 - 31/03/13 07:40 PM

.43 Mauser Sporter

That one is mine.
A Commercial Original Mauser Mod.71-84, SN-188, built on a short action and chambered for a 11,15x37R cartridge (shortened .43 Mauser round)
Extremely finely made !

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: DORLEAC]
      #227777 - 01/04/13 12:15 AM

DORLEAC,
That is a very nice rifle you have. Love the wood and the fine machining/finishing of the action.
Can't wait to see pictures of John's new rifle.

Cheers,

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #227778 - 01/04/13 12:24 AM

a real mauser treasure
is the action the original size 71/84 or a special made "Kurz" action? hard to deside without another rifle side by side for comparison.
I suspect its the 11,2x37R Grenzaufseher police and custum service cartridge?





http://www.municion.org/11/11Grenzaufsehr.htm

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #227780 - 01/04/13 12:48 AM

lancaster,

It's a special "Kurz" action, made only for a small batch of commercial 71/84 sporters.
Such a rifle, SN 104, appears p.25 in Jon Speed "Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles"book.
"...a very rare half-stocked Mauser sporting rifle SN 104, with full length tubular magazine, made on special Kurz 71/84 action in calibre 11.15x37R."
mine is SN 188 and it's fully original.

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: DORLEAC]
      #227963 - 04/04/13 01:08 AM

First thank you for all the interest and the pics. I like that long tube magazine.

The old girl finally arrived and I'm pleased so far but it needs to be taken apart & cleaned.

Wood is nice with some figure and no pits on the metal that I can see right now.
I'm no expert but it looks to me that it's a carbine with the military rear sight missing.

Now my dilemma is ether to "sporterize" / find a sight and leave it alone.

Can take a pic. / 2 if someone will post them for me - would need your Email addy.

Serial # is 885x if anyone is interested. --- John

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: John303]
      #227965 - 04/04/13 01:18 AM

John - send them to me if you'd like - I'll post them for you.
PM send

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #228004 - 04/04/13 12:55 PM

I sent the pics. to Daryl but we have a problem. For some reason (and it could easily be my fault)
he cannot up load them to photobucket.

Anyone else care to take a stab at posting the pics.? --- John

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: John303]
      #228070 - 05/04/13 03:28 AM

I can't seem to get any pictures to upload now. I do not know what the problem is.

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #228110 - 05/04/13 12:12 PM

It worked this time - after many tries.
John303's M71/86 Mausers









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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #228147 - 06/04/13 02:21 AM

Thought I might as well explain the pics, thank you Daryl for posting them.
The shotgun as you can see is based on a 71 Mauser and a take-down, so not your run of the mill
Remo Popular. Nice bore but with slight pitting under the wood, no cracks in the stock but I refinished & recheckered it.

The "sporter" 71-84, for all I can find, is someone replaced the rear sight on a carbine.
All the numbers match and the stock has a minor crack on the tip of the forend.
Bore is shiny as is the metal under the wood, there is no pitting but the outer metal
has some surface rust.

When I first decided to purchase this gun my idea was to create a rifle similar to to the take
down shotgun. With all the pluses I now hate to mess up a nice "collectible", a rear sight might
be available somewhere.

Any comments / or lead on a rear sight will be appreciated. --- John

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: John303]
      #228148 - 06/04/13 02:33 AM

The first contract the Mauser Brothers got after presenting their M71, was with Austrian government, which ordered 2 or 3 thousand rear sights only. The sight is really a wonderful sight. The model of 1876 has a standing blade, with a flip-up leaf, then the ladder for longer range shooting. I suspect it was standard for most of these rifles.

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #229354 - 28/04/13 03:07 AM

Well I've concluded that I have a cut down rifle and not a carbine, barrel cut to 21&3/4".
So I think I will "alter" it my liking. Really taken by Dorleac's rifle so maybe something
like that.
Any way thank you for your inputs, I'll maybe post some progress pics.--- John

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: John303]
      #237788 - 14/11/13 10:16 AM

I must be losing it (old age I guess) but I've purchased two more 71-84s, a 1887 Danzig #1051 and a
1888 Spandau #2184. Both have the full barrels and original sights, inside & outside quite clean and
nice. The rear sights are "different" with a flip up & ladder, personally I've never observed that
arrangement before except in pics.
Unfortunately the stocks and loading tubes have been cut down. I'll need to find / make at least one stock, well anyway more project material.--- John

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Re: 71-84, .43 cal., Mauser [Re: John303]
      #237801 - 14/11/13 05:56 PM

And so it begins

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