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AkMike
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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
      #203377 - 23/02/12 10:34 AM

Wonderful that so much land is in private control there. Here most of the state is owned by the federal and state gov't and isn't available for private use. BUT we can hunt on it IF you figure out who's in control..

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
      #203386 - 23/02/12 11:13 AM


The Gov't over here is trying to get it's hands on more and more land by declaring National Parks etc.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
      #203395 - 23/02/12 02:57 PM

I know where the property is. This property is over-sold on this hunt, apparently, and the European agent listed here cannot book any more hunts.

Out of respect to the agent I cannot post the exact details - but he came to see me at SCI show this year.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #203396 - 23/02/12 03:01 PM


I'm not surprised it is oversold. It's a good deal.

Good luck to him.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
      #203397 - 23/02/12 03:05 PM

Well shall I say oversold and overestimated... I have experience of this property (not first hand but close) and things are rarely as they appear/told.

Is a monterria with a helicopter... really a monterria??

We offer a very simmilar deal - but a foot hunt, no helicopter needed, if anyone is interested. That is a cow hunt only however - a cull.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #203398 - 23/02/12 03:07 PM


Aaaahh, yes, well .......

4000 - 4500 is a lot of Buffalo to hold on one station,
even if it is big.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #203399 - 23/02/12 03:08 PM

Oh by the way - it is not Conways either I dont want that inference left here. The Stewart family are very good people...

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #203400 - 23/02/12 03:08 PM

That agent is coming to hunt Sambar with me Matty,his son also,the son lives in Brisvegas.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: gryphon]
      #203402 - 23/02/12 03:13 PM

Cool - do you know him? He seems like a good guy. Im not sure if I am going to be able to help him out (with the buff) but I offered.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #203406 - 23/02/12 04:13 PM

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Oh by the way - it is not Conways either I dont want that inference left here. The Stewart family are very good people...



That's good to hear from another source! Thanks!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
      #203408 - 23/02/12 04:41 PM

are you going hunting with them Mike?

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
      #203411 - 23/02/12 04:54 PM

Quote:

Wonderful that so much land is in private control there. Here most of the state is owned by the federal and state gov't and isn't available for private use. BUT we can hunt on it IF you figure out who's in control..



Unfortunately not private owned. These stations are all owned by the Gov't and only leased to private individuals or companies. Except probably for 'traditional owners' who probably get to own the land for ever. Colour of skin seems to be important for land ownership.

When a lease runs out, the "traditional owners" step up the lobbying for changes of status and ownership. Same as pushes to make stations national parks etc.

From memory leases are often 50 years or 99 years.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
      #203417 - 23/02/12 05:22 PM

It's a con.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
      #203421 - 23/02/12 05:33 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Wonderful that so much land is in private control there. Here most of the state is owned by the federal and state gov't and isn't available for private use. BUT we can hunt on it IF you figure out who's in control..



Unfortunately not private owned. These stations are all owned by the Gov't and only leased to private individuals or companies. Except probably for 'traditional owners' who probably get to own the land for ever. Colour of skin seems to be important for land ownership.

When a lease runs out, the "traditional owners" step up the lobbying for changes of status and ownership. Same as pushes to make stations national parks etc.

From memory leases are often 50 years or 99 years.

A lease yes but not a lease in the traditional sense. The 'pastoral leases' can be bought, sold and renewed relatively easily and are close to being freehold status... just not quite!! They are effectively perpetual - with only improvements and structural changes needing approval. This stability is reflected in the prices attained for the sale of these very large properties (leases). I know you know all this stuff already JH - just for the benefit of others....

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #203425 - 23/02/12 05:38 PM

Sorry I meant to add that it (leasehold) is stable - if the leasee follows the condition of the lease!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #203428 - 23/02/12 05:49 PM

I believe the rationale behind having leases verses freehold, is the old one about not wanting to give such huge areas of land to individuals.

Freehold land in Australia is also not what people believe it to be. Look at a title, it might say "Tenants in Common" or "Joint Tenants". Why "tenants"? Because the Crown actually owns and controls the land. The reason the gov't can do virtually whatever it wants with your land, but with some compensation (due to the Commonwealth Constitution).

Had a very interesting half hour chat on the phone on all this once, even going back to the Magna Carta, with an "expert", a NT Cattle Station owner. I knew some of it already, but due to the "issues" these guys have with everyone wanting to control, own, share, give, loan, etc something (ie land) that is not theirs, this guy for one had become an expert.

Off topic. Sorry.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
      #203429 - 23/02/12 05:51 PM



Off topic ?

I don't think anyone cares anymore, Tophet1's post summed up in B&W what I was hinting at.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
      #203430 - 23/02/12 05:55 PM

A$7K deposit into a swiss bank account before details are released. Pleeeez. I sent out an email this morning and that is the feedback i got.

Edited by tophet1 (23/02/12 05:55 PM)

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #203434 - 23/02/12 06:13 PM

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are you going hunting with them Mike?



Yes Sir! 3 of us from Alaska and 2 from Arizona will be ther the end of June.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
      #203435 - 23/02/12 06:20 PM

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Off topic ?

I don't think anyone cares anymore, Tophet1's post summed up in B&W what I was hinting at.

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So why is it a "con"? Just because people won't release the info to 'tyre kickers'? (no offence meant by that term, but sellers use it a lot)

Nothing unusual about that.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: tophet1]
      #203437 - 23/02/12 06:32 PM

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A$7K deposit into a swiss bank account before details are released. Pleeeez. I sent out an email this morning and that is the feedback i got.

I am VERY surprised that that is the reply you got!!!!!!!! Hmmmmm.....

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
      #203438 - 23/02/12 06:33 PM

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I believe the rationale behind having leases verses freehold, is the old one about not wanting to give such huge areas of land to individuals.

Freehold land in Australia is also not what people believe it to be. Look at a title, it might say "Tenants in Common" or "Joint Tenants". Why "tenants"? Because the Crown actually owns and controls the land. The reason the gov't can do virtually whatever it wants with your land, but with some compensation (due to the Commonwealth Constitution).

Had a very interesting half hour chat on the phone on all this once, even going back to the Magna Carta, with an "expert", a NT Cattle Station owner. I knew some of it already, but due to the "issues" these guys have with everyone wanting to control, own, share, give, loan, etc something (ie land) that is not theirs, this guy for one had become an expert.

Off topic. Sorry.

hehehe - yes I know that owner I think!! That is his favourite topic of all!!! hahaha

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
      #203439 - 23/02/12 06:35 PM

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Quote:

are you going hunting with them Mike?



Yes Sir! 3 of us from Alaska and 2 from Arizona will be ther the end of June.

You will have a good time I am sure - George is a lot of fun.

I am curious though why you chose that hunt over an Arnhem L hunt - was it a cull?? Just wondering...

Or are you going with Scottys group? If so no explaination required!!

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Edited by Matt_Graham (23/02/12 06:36 PM)

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #203441 - 23/02/12 06:58 PM

LMAO!!! You know of Scotty too?

Yep we're in that group.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
      #203443 - 23/02/12 07:20 PM

I only know him from AR and met him at SCI a few times and knew he was going to George's. I just put 2 and 2 together!!

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