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Altamaha
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Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts?
      #190343 - 21/09/11 07:56 AM

39 year old hunter killed Friday on the Idaho-Montana Border up close to Bonners Ferry.

He and a 21 year old were "hunting black bear".

Grizzly was shot & wounded, the two gents went into the brush after it, results one dead hunter and one dead grizzly.

Note: NO hunting allowed in the lower 48 for Grizzly!

Rumor is the 21 year old mistook the grizz for a black and touched off a round.

Hmmmm.

Ripp or 9.3x57, any news?


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Altamaha]
      #190344 - 21/09/11 08:02 AM


I happened to be talking about this with a mate the other day
- who had just come back from a trip.

Anyway, it's all over the 'net, including detailed descriptions of the events.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190347 - 21/09/11 09:27 AM

I will do another search.

Some postings on 24HR Campfire. And I read most of the Newspaper reports.

I am just wondering if the truth will ever come out?

Not enough gun?

Unskilled hunters following up wounded dangerous game?

Bad shot placement?

Who nows.

Once again this proves making mistakes when hunting dangerous game, even in the lower 48, can and will get you killed.

I would really like to know the details of the rifles and bullets the gents were using.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Altamaha]
      #190348 - 21/09/11 09:34 AM

I can't remember my original search but try these in Google.

2 of the pieces were really good - one was a hunting mag type web site, like ?? Petersons ?? or something.


grizzly killed hunter

hunter kills grizzly


Most had quotes from wildlife officers etc and the actual story of what happened.

The only things I can't remember seeing was the calibre.

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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190349 - 21/09/11 10:03 AM

I don't have anything to add yet, but might in a while.

I'll do some checking.

These things are expanding their range into our area here and our local unit is now noted in the game regs as a unit where they may be encountered. This is unimportant other than it is an official recognition that the species is moving into new areas.

Another bit of woods trash trumped up by the Feds to keep us all at home indoors refining our wanking skills and fiddly diddling on Xbox.

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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #190351 - 21/09/11 10:14 AM


I like one comment from a STATE trooper or whatever he was called when working out who would investigate it. The GPS
Coordinates made the attack right on the state line.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #190354 - 21/09/11 12:36 PM

Quote:

I don't have anything to add yet, but might in a while.

These things are expanding their range into our area here and our local unit is now noted in the game regs as a unit where they may be encountered. This is unimportant other than it is an official recognition that the species is moving into new areas.




They are in NE Washington also: I saw one about 300 to 400 pounds a few years ago when I was visiting friends living 25 miles north of Spokane. Was on a two lane black top about 6 miles east of highway 2, around 10 PM, when young grizz sauntered across the road in front of the pickup, maybe 25 feet out. Had the distinctive hump and dished face and very long claws. Color was brownish with some darkening around the forelegs and shoulders.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190356 - 21/09/11 12:58 PM

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I like one comment from a STATE trooper or whatever he was called when working out who would investigate it. The GPS
Coordinates made the attack right on the state line.




Yea the guys went in from the Idaho side. Wonder what state their hunting license and black bear tag were issued in?? They were from Nevado, so did not have much local knowledge I guess.

I predict the plot will get thicker.

Some rag will pay the kid a bunch of money for his story, we should see it in print in a few months.

From what I have read, the area is known grizzly territory. Don't think I would prowl around there unless I had 9.3x57 with his 9.3x62 Stubby backing me up.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Altamaha]
      #190358 - 21/09/11 01:04 PM


Yes, one of the articles said it was Grizzly territory,
as part of a corridor or something that went to the Canadian border. I think they also said the area had 2 separate small populations of Grizzly's.

Either way, either shoot straight with a reasonable gun or carry an even bigger one !!!

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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190414 - 22/09/11 03:15 AM

I don't deer hunt with the .218Bee #1 any more. Had a snakey feeling go up my spine while I was standing in a pile of fresh grizzly shit, Ruger #1B over my shoulder, looking at several more piles of grizzly shit all around me about a 20' circle - in his living room, so to speak.
The .218felt a mite small, even though loaded with fast stepping 50gr. X bullets. Last time I packed in in that area - about an hour's drive from home.

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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: DarylS]
      #190424 - 22/09/11 03:55 AM

Quote:

I don't deer hunt with the .218Bee #1 any more. Had a snakey feeling go up my spine while I was standing in a pile of fresh grizzly shit, Ruger #1B over my shoulder, looking at several more piles of grizzly shit all around me about a 20' circle - in his living room, so to speak.
The .218felt a mite small, even though loaded with fast stepping 50gr. X bullets. Last time I packed in in that area - about an hour's drive from home.




Little centerfires, deadly on deer if a gent knows how. I had a M43 Winchester 218 Bee when I was a kid in SE Georgia, it was responsible for keeping the family fed with venison from the Whitetail population.

Had a neighbor a few years ago, a Coast Guard Pilot. He was stationed on Kodiak Island, decided to go Blacktail Deer hunting with his 250 Savage. Was siting on a stand in the trees, heard a ruckus: Another hunter had spooked a Brown Bear, which was running directly at him with the mouth open. One shot in the mouth at about 15 feet dropped the bear, bullet went into the spine just behind the head.

Two days later the friend flew to Anchorage and bought a M70 in 375 H&H. And new underwear.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Altamaha]
      #190425 - 22/09/11 04:49 AM

According to the info I read and hear on the local radio, 2 guys from Nevada drew a black bear tag for Montana..they went hunting up north near the Idaho.Montana border..the guy with the tag shot what he believed was a black bear..wounded it and the bear ran into thick cover..the two guys went into the brush to finish him off..the bear come out attacking the hunters friend..which was actually a grizzly and not a black bear..killed him before the hunter could get the bear killed...

That is basically what I have heard, read and listened to on the local radio..

Ironically, my workout partner was bow hunting south of town last weekend and got charged by a griz as well...he filed a report with the local fish and game office..I will post it below..incredible story...told him last night, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result..

Here is my friend Johns story..

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martin [mailto: .com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:37 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: A Hunting Adventure

So, for those of you that I haven't talked to, I had my 5th "bear encounter"
in the last 7 years on Saturday. This was very different than previous experiences as it was a full charge by a very large boar. While I would rather be lucky than good any day of the week, there was truly divine intervention here. It was certainly the hand of God at work...any of you have ever seen me run can attest to that!

I was hunting on Saturday morning and moving through the timber towards a bluff overlooking a creek. I had heard two bulls talking to each other and was working my way towards them. I walking on the trail through a large meadow. Towards the edge of the meadow I spotted the biggest boar I've ever seen in the wild standing right on the trail, 25 yds in front of me, nose in the air.

I was about 50 yds from any sort of cover in the middle of a large meadow on a very steep incline. I slowly backed up on the trail until I couldn't see him, then turned and ran as fast as I could for the timber I had just come from. I heard a very large GRUNT/WOOF/GROWL and looked over my shoulder to see the bear coming at me in a full charge. The vision I have in my head is of him hovering above the ground, back feet passing his front feet, rapidly closing the short lead I had on him.

I was getting close to the trees where I hoped to get enough cover and time to draw my pistol. I jumped between two large trees on the down hill side of the trail, grabbing some branches with my left hand and swinging down hill and around the tree to the left. I felt something hit my upper arm and a split second later heard a large thud. I spun around and drew my pistol and watched the boar tumble down the hill, head over heels for about 30 yards.
He finally got his feet under him and kept running downhill into the timber.

Then the adrenaline rush hit me...to say I was shaking is a profound understatement; I'm not sure the gravity of the situation had set in. In fact, I'm not sure it has yet and just typing this is making my heart race.
I looked at down at my arm and it was covered...in mud, Not a scratch, not a bruise!..some part of him had actually hit my arm while we were flying through the trees. I was calling Lonnie on the radio and he wasn't answering. I couldn't figure out why...we both have Garmin Rino GPS/radios that communicate each other's respective positions with each transmission.
Well, after a bit of confusion on my end, trying to figure out how to adjust the volume, I found out he had heard every word I said, heard the panic in my voice and was already on his way back to me. We met up a few minutes later and I recounted the story to him. We decided to call it a day and headed down the mountain to the main trail.

We were walking out and came across a set of fresh bear tracks in the mud.
The boar had continued down the mountain and hit the main trail for a while.
I have attached a few pix above of the tracks. His paws are about 6" to 7"
wide. His back paws, from heel to claw, are nearly 12" long (last pic). Pix
3 - 5 show his front paw print, the indentation in front of the pad indentation is where his claws hit the mud.

When you hear that bears are quick or fast, it is true. This whole incident, from me spotting him to watching him go into the timber took less than a minute. I'm guessing he was somewhere in 500 lb range and maybe a 7' bear, certainly the biggest bear have ever seen in the wild. I consider myself more than lucky, especially given the recent grizzly fatalities...2 hikers in YNP over summer, another hunter this weekend on the MT/ID border, and a grizzly killed by a bow hunter in the Gravelly Range last week. Even the bear specialist at FWP that I reported this to agreed that there needs to be a hunting season on them. Their numbers are far greater than what is being reported in the media and they are not afraid of humans.

I'm VERY thankful and fortunate to be able to relate this story. PLEASE be careful in the outdoors whether you are hunting or hiking. Take a gun, take pepper spray or take a partner. Or better yet take all three!



He is a lucky lucky man ...
Per the Fish and Game officer..he also agreed there are many more Griz in the area than the media or goverment lets us know about..its as I stated in a previous post..they dont want the numbers to be higher as it might actually force them to make a decision on opening a season on griz again..thik the last time there was one was in 1987...secondly, tourists want to see griz at a distance ..not on the lap..so it would harm local tourism..hence less money for everyone including th gubament.. ...

the griz have lost their fear of humans in this area...and as such there will be more and more encounters..have lost count but its been either 4 or 5 humanoids killed by griz this year...and now they are really getting after it as winter is fast approaching..they need to add calories to make it through the hibernating sesason..so, with archery in full swing, hungry bears with no fear..let the bears begin...

Ripp

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Edited by Ripp (22/09/11 05:24 AM)


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Ripp]
      #190428 - 22/09/11 05:16 AM


Here is one article I found on the net..

Ripp




LIBBY, Mont., Sept. 17 (UPI) -- A Nevada man on a hunting trip in Montana was killed by a young grizzly bear, police said Saturday.

The victim was identified as Steve Stevenson, 39, of Winnemucca, The Idaho Statesman reported. The Lincoln County Sheriff's Office in Libby, Mont., said Stevenson and three other hunters from Winnemucca were in the Buckhorn Mountains on the Idaho-Montana border when the attack occurred Friday.

Stevenson and Ty Bell, 20, were tracking what they thought was a black bear Friday morning, investigators said. Bell shot and killed the bear, which proved to be a young male grizzly, after the fatal mauling.

Bell reported the attack by cellphone to the Boundary County Sheriff's Office in Idaho, which then notified Montana authorities. Stevenson's body was to be autopsied by a coroner in Libby and while a lab in Bozeman, Mont., will do a necropsy on the bear carcass.

The Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks is also involved in the investigation.

© 2011 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Any reproduction, republication, redistribution and/or modification of any UPI


Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/09/1.../#ixzz1YcEr4Mw3

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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Ripp]
      #190448 - 22/09/11 07:51 AM


Wow, that is an interesting story. Glad he was safe.

Do you know what pistol he was carrying ?

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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190506 - 23/09/11 02:23 AM

yes=--he was carrying a lightweight S&W 44 mag loaded with 300 gr solid cast loads..

Ripp

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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Ripp]
      #190618 - 24/09/11 12:14 PM

Damn. He died from a bullet wound to the chest. The hunter, not the bear.

Choose your hunting partner with care, your life hangs from his trigger finger.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires...c3_lnk1%7C98554

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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Altamaha]
      #190622 - 24/09/11 12:22 PM



Not good.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190625 - 24/09/11 01:37 PM

Just checked in the Billings paper on-line (can't read that huffpo thing) and that's what they report too, the M.E. said the man died from a shot to the chest fired from the kid.

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      #190645 - 24/09/11 11:54 PM

Not only do we have the loss of a 39 year old husband and father, but the kid has ruined himself for life emotionally.

Better put a sucide watch on the kid.

If you do not know what you are doing with firearms and hunting dangerous game, stay out of the back country and take up golf.

Accident? Nope, just inexperience and carelessness.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Altamaha]
      #190653 - 25/09/11 03:24 AM

I don't fault the kid on this one. The incident was probably over in seconds. We don't know whether the shot that killed the hunter passed through the grizzly first. When an animal that can kill in seconds is all over your hunting partner, you take the shot. No time to wait or maneuver for position.

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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: mckinney]
      #190663 - 25/09/11 06:02 AM

Quote:

I don't fault the kid on this one. The incident was probably over in seconds. We don't know whether the shot that killed the hunter passed through the grizzly first. When an animal that can kill in seconds is all over your hunting partner, you take the shot. No time to wait or maneuver for position.





I don't fault the kid IF he hasn't or hadn't been told what to do in this situation. It's a bit like sorting out with a PH who does what when and how.

I've read a number of things re PH's being shot and others where the tracker has walked up to the ie Lion and put the muzzle next to it before pulling the trigger.

It's a hard one.

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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190668 - 25/09/11 07:43 AM

Yes this is a hard one. If they still thought it was a black bear when entering the thick stuff after the wounded bear, no wonder it turned out this way.

I am sure both had no dangerous game experience. What to do in a charge situation? Wonder if they had a pre scuffle chat on how to handle the situation.

No PH's with a big bore "Stopper" in this situation. If anyone ever needed Phil (458Win) with his experience and his 458 for backup, this was the place.

What would you have done? Wade into the bear/hunter scuffle and stick the gun muzzle in the bears ear and pull the trigger? Hold back and try to get a clear shot? Try for a spine shot? Tough to do when the bear is in fast motion mauling the hunter. Get close and bruin turns on you.

Cartridge selection is one of my questions. If I were just going after a black bear, I would likely pack my 30-06. If I knew Grizzlys were in the area, I would likely have taken my 375 or maybe the 338 Win.

A bad tragedy all around. Goes to show when the S*&^ hits the fan, things can easily cascade into something worse.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Altamaha]
      #190669 - 25/09/11 07:49 AM


I don't know what I would do, probably go in and try to stick the muzzle close and pull the trigger. BUT, I would probably talk to whoever I was with about what to do before we went out, a bit like PH's do with clients.
i just tend to talk before going out so everyone knows what to do if you get lost, get charged, get hurt etc. Probably the military training coming out !!!

Yes, the bear might turn on you but hopefully if you have the gun loaded and you were going in, the gun is at least facing forwards and you could at least pull the trigger.

The young kid will definitely be worth watching.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190674 - 25/09/11 09:35 AM

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I don't know what I would do, probably go in and try to stick the muzzle close and pull the trigger. BUT, I would probably talk to whoever I was with about what to do before we went out, a bit like PH's do with clients.
i just tend to talk before going out so everyone knows what to do if you get lost, get charged, get hurt etc. Probably the military training coming out !!!

Yes, the bear might turn on you but hopefully if you have the gun loaded and you were going in, the gun is at least facing forwards and you could at least pull the trigger.

The young kid will definitely be worth watching.




You and I think alike.


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Re: Latest Grizzly Kill, Anyone got the Facts? [Re: Altamaha]
      #190687 - 25/09/11 02:08 PM

Here's the link to the article in the Billings paper,

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-an...1cc4c03286.html


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