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a very nice look alike MS Carcano
      #186099 - 19/07/11 05:31 PM

must be an early Ferlach made sporter, a lot of work also then and I wonder if it was realy cheaper than an original Schönauer Stutzen. maybe the customer give a war rifle he had for free to the gunmaker.
642 euro comes close to a real schönauer in an auction.
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3385755









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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #186101 - 19/07/11 05:48 PM

Hi Lancaster,

What did they say about making a 'Silk Purse from a Sows ear' an old saying that looks to be true. Very nice.

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #186173 - 20/07/11 09:03 PM


I wonder where the bottom metal came from ? Maybe a Japanese type1. I own a couple of them, a 91/41 and a sportered version which is being stocked at the moment .I like the scope set up but alas ,unless you change the magazine to a Mauser type it's not practical.


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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: darwinmauser]
      #186300 - 22/07/11 09:53 AM

I cant imagine that they had parts for the type 1 rifle in Ferlach back in the 50s.

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #218231 - 21/10/12 05:16 AM

a similar rifle in 6,5x54 MS with a distinct bavarian alpine flavour











http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4074766
come swith a Kahles scope on a Mannlichger Schönauer claw mount

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #218262 - 22/10/12 05:07 AM

I love those full lenght stocks, pretty.
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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #218284 - 22/10/12 02:23 PM

Quote:

I cant imagine that they had parts for the type 1 rifle in Ferlach back in the 50s.


Since the I-Type was made in Italy in 1938 -39, I think it is highly likely some specimens made it to Ferlach.

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #224129 - 23/01/13 01:50 AM

another of this post war austrian made Mannlicher Schönauer look-alike Carcano Stutzen






still in 6,5x52 Carcano and for sale in austria
http://www.waffengebraucht.at/node/197355

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #226019 - 27/02/13 01:30 AM

probably the same rifle, nice presentation and make lust on my own carcano project















http://www.waffengebraucht.at/node/197355

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #227349 - 21/03/13 08:26 PM

carcano sporting rifle in 6,5x54 Mannlciher Schönauer, scope on claw mount and stock is lengthened
four rounds magazin made by the gunmaker who build it
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4320495&PHPSESSID=1c48372950c373727e35fa1e0204049c

nice rifle if you look for a carcano sporter







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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #227699 - 28/03/13 08:20 PM

carcano sporting rifle for sale in austria

6x5x54 Mannlicher Schönauer











http://www.waffengebraucht.at/node/204372

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #234343 - 16/08/13 10:18 PM

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4522954









probably a 1920s made stutzen made from a long rifle cut down

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #244219 - 22/03/14 04:42 PM

there is an interesting Carcano sporter variant made for the canadian market in the 1930s I will show now and like allways I collect the topic to attrac more knowledge ...

The Eaton's Carcano

first question: who is Eaton's?
or better who was it?
Daryl????

"The T. Eaton Co. Limited was once Canada's largest department store retailer. It was founded in 1869 in Toronto by Timothy Eaton, a Presbyterian Ulster Scot immigrant from what is now Northern Ireland. Eaton's grew to become a retail and social institution in Canada, with stores across the country, buying offices across the globe, and a catalogue that was found in the homes of most Canadians. A changing economic and retail environment in the late 20th century, and mismanagement culminated in the chain's bankruptcy in 1999."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eaton%27s

so eaton's sold guns and ammo also and typical for such mail order catalogs it were mostly simple basic model's. they had also some own products like the 12 ga. shotgun cartridge "Eatonioa"



or the single shot bolt action rimfire rifle "Eatonia" that looks very belgian to me.

from the 1899 catalog



1916





1934-35











there are several eaton'S catalog's online like 1926 and 1934 but the eaton's carcano is not in this so I believe it must be between this years
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/cmc/0...&img13.y=12


sometimes in the 1930s Eaton's sold a carcano sporting rifle in 6,5x54 Mannlicher Schönauer build for them by the H. W. Cooey Machine & Arms Company in Cobourg, Ontario. looking at the rifle I have very strong doubt about this story because the Eaton's carcano smell so strong austrian -german.
but take a look at a rifle for sale in canada







http://www.adpost.com/ca/sports_games/6927/

the pistol grib was made by glueing a piece of wood on the original stock. the original .268 diameter barrel was cut and a new .264 diameter barrel was screw in the original barrel stub for the 6,5x54 MS which was a very popular sporting round than around the world. the 6,5x52 Carcano was not available as a comercial sporting round before the 1950s.
nothing against canadian craftmansship but style and the double set trigger looks very continental.
So was this rifle realy build by a canadian shotgun maker? I believe we have another example of the international guntrade here. the rifle could be made by small firm like Sodia in Ferlach for example using captured WW 1 rifle forgotten in an austrian store and found again in the 1930s to made a cheap copy of the desired but expensive .265 Mannlicher sporting rifle. the carcano was not available as cheap surplus market before WW 2!


interesting the Eaton's carcano had his own urban myth
its believe by some that the .264 barrel was only pressed in the original barrel stub and hold by a little screw and so unsafe to shoot it.
but thats the truth:


"Pic 1 - The Barrel "Stub" into which the new barrel is affixed and widely believed to be pressed in and held by a set-screw. False, as stated above. "



"Pic 2 - Left to Right - barrel with tiny indent for set screw, barrel stub, set screw, receiver"



http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=303-Myth-Busted-Proof-Testing-an-Eaton-Carcano-Rifle

the rifle like every other carcano is very strong and safe to fire.


here are two other rifle's, the bottom one with a lacquered stock that is not original.
we can see that this sporting rifle was build in a bigger lot.













http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?352594-Eaton-carcano

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #244230 - 22/03/14 09:56 PM

more pages from Eaton's







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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #244249 - 23/03/14 05:20 AM

Great stuff Lancaster, very interesting, now it is easy to get cheap sporting 6.5X52 & not 6.5X54, or not 6.5X53R any way !

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: Sarg]
      #245059 - 05/04/14 05:41 AM

Very interesting to me. This relatively obscure Canadian 6.5 x 54 M-S sporting rifle should be of some interest if only for its place in the history of the use of the 6.5 x54 M-S cartridge in Canada.

Those pages from the Eatons catalogue take me back to my reading/wiping material in the outhouse of my rural Alberta childhood. I spent a lot of time staring at those pages of guns. We had one shotgun and one rifle in the family, a Cooey .22 repeater, passed down to successive sons, who each in his turn would take on the responsibility of defending the farm from the ground squirrel horde.

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #257414 - 01/12/14 04:08 PM

6,5x54 MS sporting rifle for sale in Czechia
http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/92227-kulovnice/

scope is an east german zeiss zielvier so the sporter was probably made after WW 2 in czechia






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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #257862 - 15/12/14 02:40 AM

sporting rifle in 6,5x50SR Jap. build on a Type I rifle, imho made by Beretta for the japanese navy
this is a Carcano action with a double row magazine and make a nice light action for cartridges in 6,5x54 MS class










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      #259064 - 16/01/15 02:10 AM

by sellers description made in 1928, a 6,5x52 http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/67179-lovecka-kulovnice-mannlicher-carcano-r-v-1928/





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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #262906 - 29/03/15 12:05 PM

I'm rather liking these and taking a fancy

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: Ash]
      #262908 - 29/03/15 01:31 PM

Ash,
I understand your feelings about these rifles/carbines.
Light, handy, good looking and chambered for effective and easy to shoot cartridges.
I saw a "sporterized" Carcano carbine at a gunshow a couple of weeks ago for $130 but passed on it.
I have enough projects going at this time already.

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      #264507 - 03/05/15 01:07 PM

allready sold for 150 euro
https://www.waffengebraucht.at/node/237954







its a very nice carcano

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #271829 - 18/10/15 05:53 AM

6,5x52 http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5539258





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      #278031 - 16/02/16 06:35 PM

pur inter war austrian made sporter with a Kahles/Wien on a vienna snap mount
http://www.vasari-auction.com/html/fiche...mp;r=&sold=















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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
      #278048 - 17/02/16 02:32 AM

Could use a restock IMO.

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