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500Nitro
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Re: Camels [Re: tophet1]
      #177341 - 18/03/11 04:02 PM


Sounds good, Where are you going ?

SA, NT, Qld or NSW ?

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Ben
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Re: Camels [Re: 500Nitro]
      #177344 - 18/03/11 04:44 PM

Take the big banger, too, just in case you get a chance. You never know...

Have fun!

Also, an EPIRB or satphone are good in camel country. You can hire satphones.

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blacks
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Re: Camels [Re: tophet1]
      #177345 - 18/03/11 04:46 PM

Quote:

Well it looks like a go'er for late June.

Dingos, Pigs and Brumbys are also on the agenda. I plan to be self sufficient and swag it from a mobile camp packed into my twin cab 4x4.

I've got a 9.3x62 load, spare rifle (The .264WM) Need a GPS and fuel containers...... and ... and ...



I've got a GPS and fuel containers....

Sounds great John, all the best with it mate, sounds like a real adventure! Camels are one I'd like to cross off the list one day too.

Cheers

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tophet1
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Re: Camels [Re: blacks]
      #177493 - 21/03/11 11:39 AM

Late July is now the date.

I've ordered a GPS (Garmin GPSMAP 60Cx). I hope that will do the job. Does anyone have one of these ?

The area is far west Qld.. There maybe opportunities to re visit the property again. One of the local lads is a Jackaroo up there.

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tinker
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Re: Camels [Re: tophet1]
      #177506 - 21/03/11 04:45 PM

I've been thinking of getting some camels for our ranch.
Llamas are not too uncommon, and I hear they protect livestock from coyote.

I'd love to see a camel kick the shit out of a coyote!!





Cheers
Tinker

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tophet1
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Re: Camels [Re: tinker]
      #177508 - 21/03/11 05:05 PM

tinker,

When I was putting my self through university I used to cut firewood during winter break and sell it (for cash). I got access to a property which adjoined a national park which was basically gorge country full of wild dogs and some wild horses.

The feral dogs played havoc with the graziers sheep so he imported a llama who proved very effective in protecting the sheep. He was so effective he would often bail up farm workers and trap them inside their vehicles.

He was a big bastard, over 6' tall. His name, wait for it .... Osama Ben Llama. (I shit you not).

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gundog
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Re: Camels [Re: tophet1]
      #179257 - 17/04/11 11:43 AM

Tophet1, I don't know if you are into the sambar hunting or read about it a bit but if you have a look in Ken Pearce's book, "Walking Them Up", P89-90, there is an excerpt from a Ranger who shoots camels, brumbies & donkey's as part of his job. He uses his own personal rifles, 1 in 300WM & the other in 375H&H, because he doesn't rate the departmental 308 issue cal esp on running body shots.
In comparing the 300 to the 375, he says..

"The 375H&H is an entirely different story. I have used 270gn Win Power points & hand loads inc 235gn Speer semi spitzers & 285 Speer Grand Slams loaded to near max. The Win 270gners often have core separations, even on donkey's but the Speer 235's are invariably recovered on the opposite shoulder on donkey's, even with angling shots, with the core & jacket intact. The 285gn Grand Slams are great & generally exit, although I have recovered one from a brumby angling at about 200m & one from a shoulder shot camel at 100m, however, all the 375's kill emphatically".

Enough said.

Edited by gundog (17/04/11 01:14 PM)

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tophet1
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Re: Camels [Re: gundog]
      #179259 - 17/04/11 12:16 PM

Thx gundog, I know SFA about Sambar unfortunately but that book has been quoted a few times so I will keep an eye open for it.

I have had to bring the trip forward to mid June (again). I've just come back in from the range where I have started prep and practise with the two rifles I'm taking and found you had resurected this post.

The Garman GPS has arrived and I now have to get topo maps as back up.

Rifle One : The 9.3x62 with 250 Nosler Accubonds is zeroed at 200yards and is 3" high at 100yards.

Rifle Two" My .264 Winchester Magnum shoots sub moa with the Woodleigh 140 PPSN and is essentially flat shooting to 200 yards. I am going out this afternoon to check drop at 300 yards and chrono the load. 66 grains of 2213sc from a 24" barrel.

Edit: .264WM 140 PPSN is 31" low at 300 yards. Right at the top of the bottom heav(ier) reticle post. Velocity 3,012 fps.

I was thinking of taking the 7x57 with 154 Hornady Interlock spitzers but there would be no margin for error so it stays home.

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gundog
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Re: Camels [Re: tophet1]
      #179261 - 17/04/11 01:13 PM

tophet1..I have used the 375 Ruger with 235gn TSX's on sambar with complete success, all 1 shot kills & of the dozen or so I've shot with it, I've only recovered 1 projie. The 9.3 should be good on camels. A bloke I know uses the 9.3 on sambar with the 286gn..I think..TUG's. Fantastic performance & excellent penetration on sambar, so would be good on camels.

I've never had the opportunity on camels but would love to one day.

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Re: Camels [Re: gundog]
      #179268 - 17/04/11 03:20 PM

Trophet1, ive cull shot them on foot and from vechiles. Used mainly .243 and 100 grainers, 308 and 150/180's. The best knock down calibres i have hunted them with have been the 300wm , 338 wm and the 375H&H. I prefer the 338 with 200-250 projectiles. Partitions work well. Donkeys and camels can carry shots .
I run a 264 wm and would have no problems considering it for camels, hope to hunt them later in the year with the 358win and 264wm .
They are great animal to bow hunt.
Take the lead animal out and they will mill around. Hope this helps Mick

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Re: Camels [Re: 264]
      #179283 - 17/04/11 09:03 PM

Mick,

I have high expectations of the 140 Woodleigh in the .264. The Woodleigh .308 165 PPSN performed perfectly for me in Africa and I'll be pushing the 140 with its higher SD faster.

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Re: Camels [Re: tophet1]
      #179284 - 17/04/11 09:20 PM

trophet1, look forward to hearing how they perform. Im running 125 partitions and 130 barnes TSX. Set it up for fallow and like the performance of both , settled on the partition as they are more accurate. Great on fallow, boars , dingo also taken small buff with them. Great calibre , pity it took me 25 years to get one. What is your 264wm . Mick

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eljefedouble
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Re: Camels [Re: 264]
      #179537 - 21/04/11 01:42 AM

HI John,
so it finally happens.
Besides the factory projjies planned, are you casting in 9.3? Was under the impression you were going to...
That caliber gap? Maybe a 300Wea Mag will fit right in
Best
Asif

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darwinmauser
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Re: Camels [Re: tophet1]
      #180024 - 26/04/11 08:12 PM

Quote:

Late July is now the date.

I've ordered a GPS (Garmin GPSMAP 60Cx). I hope that will do the job. Does anyone have one of these ?

The area is far west Qld.. There maybe opportunities to re visit the property again. One of the local lads is a Jackaroo up there.




Late July in the outback......... hope you've got a good swag mate.

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Ben
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Re: Camels [Re: darwinmauser]
      #180025 - 26/04/11 08:27 PM

It is absolutely magic out there in winter. You can actually really enjoy a good fire and cuppa and hot meal and sleeping bag. I love that experience, as we don't get it up here much.

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tophet1
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Re: Camels [Re: Ben]
      #180028 - 26/04/11 08:36 PM

Don't worry, I spent many weeks out west around Cobar in the early 80's during my enlistment. Being out there, living out of the back of my truck with no timetable or agenda is half the fun.

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500Nitro
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Re: Camels [Re: tophet1]
      #180030 - 26/04/11 09:34 PM


I always reckon it is easier to get and stay warm than it is to get cold, hence colder weather is better. Just my HO.

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Camels [Re: 500Nitro]
      #180571 - 03/05/11 02:01 AM

I'm BACK!
A working mans rifle for camel is the 338Win using 300gn rn woodleighs..
I've never lost one using this calibre even out to ranges of 200 yards.
And let me tell you I've shot enough of them to know what works and what might.
Another thing,dont ever get caught out on a flat with a bull camel with attitude.
They are very capable of killing you.
Al

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