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The one thing which bothers me about this design is common to other Schuler designs I have seen. In the interest of expanding magazine capacity, the entire magazine/trigger guard unit is dropped what appears to be about 3/4" below the normal level, changing the relationship between trigger and bolt handle, which I would find disturbing.

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I find it hard to see a three quarters of an inch extra in the depth of the stock at the bottom metal area.

When I built my 404 on a 98 FN I did space the bottom metal down from the action but only by about a tenth of an inch and that was to ensure that the fourth cartridge was down far enough to be cought by the bolt to give me a three plus one loading capability. I did cut the finger piece off the trigger and extend it down and back but I certainly dont believe it has changed the relationship between the trigger and bolt handle to any extent that is noticable.


This was how much I spaced it down and the relationship of the origional trigger to the bottom metal




This is where the trigger was altered both down and back



Von Gruff.

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Exodus 20:1-17

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Edited by CptCurl (04/10/10 10:09 PM)

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Gruff,

Compare the photo of the Schuler rifle with that of your action. The bolt knob is nowhere near the bottom metal in the Schuler rifle, and even allowing for the fact that your bolt handle is longer, the proportions of the stock are distorted, which is clearly not the case with your action.

In the Schuler rifle the barrelled action appears to have been perched on top of the stock and the trigger guard added below as an afterthought.

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Just to add another for comparison. The 404 below is an opened up original Type A Oberndorf (was 10.75x68) still in original factory stock and able to use 3+1. Does have a standard Timney trigger (unlike Von Gruffs extended one).

I concur with Von Gruff that while the Schulers appear to have had the bottom metal dropped, it is not so much different than those of original Mausers.



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A little-known fact: On their commercial 9.3x62 and 10.75x68 rifles Mauser Oberndorf used a magazine box about 2.5mm deeper than the standard military actions. the trigger and the screws are longer too. When restocking one of these, you cannot use a "dropin" stock intended for a standard military 98 action or the smaller bore commercial rifles. Instead, you have to use a stock machined for the Magnum action! I learned the hard way!

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A little-known fact: On their commercial 9.3x62 and 10.75x68 rifles Mauser Oberndorf used a magazine box about 2.5mm deeper than the standard military actions. the trigger and the screws are longer too. When restocking one of these, you cannot use a "dropin" stock intended for a standard military 98 action or the smaller bore commercial rifles. Instead, you have to use a stock machined for the Magnum action! I learned the hard way!

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Thanks for that little snippet Kud, had not heard that interesting fact before. Perhaps explains why I easily get 3+1 404 in my standard Type A shown above. So long since it had the standard trigger I don't recall how low it sat in the trigger bow. The Timney sits up higher as you can see but comes to my finger easily and I would not lengthen.

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Then I have unknowingly made my 98FN to be like the origional as quoted by Kuduae. Without spacing it down I could only get two plus one and it needed just that small amount to get the three plus one. If you compare the pic of my b/a with unaltered trigger it shows itself to be the same as Eagle type A. I had to get longer action screws made to suit. While I could use the Timney trigger as was, I was concious of being on the 'tip' rather than comfortably in the centre of it, although I used a custom fingerpiece when it was altered.

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If you look at Jon Speed's "Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles", page 127, you will see that Mauser made at least 13 different magazine boxes for their sporting M98 rifles to properly hold and feed different cartridges. No other maker of M98 actions has since done so. Nearly all tried to cram all sorts of cartridges into the same military size box, perhaps lengthened a bit.

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Incidentally this rifle took many tigers, bisons and rouge elephants during its use and the shooter fired left handed!!!

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What do you mean "left handed!!!" good sir, are you spoiling for a duel?

I'm a lefty, my Mauser 404 doesn't seem to mind.

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Were the rouge elephants taken during a festival perhaps?

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