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vegard_dino
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450 31/4 BPE and the 11*60R (.43 Mauser?) today?
      #161597 - 06/06/10 11:22 PM



Hello all

Hope some can help me out.

I am seeking around for my first BP rifle, but I don't know so much about them.
Can these two calibers be used today, legally, for hunting?
I guess they will be just right for games up to large deer, hog, bear, moose and so. Same goes for light games in Africa.

Or?
How is it to find brass and bullets?
The old 11*60R is interesting, have seen a old S/S hammer for sale, and got really warm in my heart...But, todays use?

All help is good for me

Have a good day all

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Re: 450 31/4 BPE and the 11*60R (.43 Mauser?) today? [Re: vegard_dino]
      #161598 - 07/06/10 12:19 AM

Brass for the .43 Mauser is easily found in the USA - from Track of the Wolf for one outfit and others. I suspect, same for .450 BPE or Nitro brass.

What the curent laws are in Sweden, I don't know, however - either ctg. can be loaded to be very useful on any game you have there.

As to Africa, there are much better choices than black powder era ctgs.

As to the .43 Mauser, you will have to establish what the groove diameter is - if it is as in the 71/76 or ealier models, ie: between 1871 and 1876 Mauser and has a .457" groove diameter, it wil not be very accurate as the chamber will only allow a .446" bullet to be loaded and chambered in the rifle. If it has a .446" groove diameter such as the Model 71/84, then it will be just fine.
I have a 90% Model 71/76 with the .457" groove diamter and got over the bullet diameter problem by re-chambering to .450 Alaskan. I only use black powder-type loads.
The .450 Alaskan case (blown out .348Win case) holds a little more powder than the factory Mauser case and I am able to duplicate the .45 2.6" Sharps with it- 1,400fps with 500gr. bullets - black powder or smokeless loads. This is more than enough power for moose, elk, grizzly, whatever.

Factory .43 Mauser have a 370gr. bullet at about 1,380fps using 77gr. black powder. It is very similar in effectiveness to the .45/70 round of the USA.



Here's the round I re-chambered my .43 Mauser to, to allow for proper sized bullets and for ease of obtaiing cases. When I aquired the .43 Mauser M71/76, brass was hard to find, not now. A simple re-cutting the neck area of the chamber to .483" or .484" will allow chambering the proper bullet size. The reamer, called a 'chucking' reamer costs approx. $25.00 and is available from Pacific Tool and Gauge.

The ctg. on the left is the .450 Alaskan.

The case on the right is what I call the .458 Alaskan, rim turned off and cut (rebated) to .532" for use in a modern bolt actioned rifle.


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Daryl


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Re: 450 31/4 BPE and the 11*60R (.43 Mauser?) today? [Re: DarylS]
      #161627 - 07/06/10 03:08 PM


Hello and thank you for helping me

Well, the .43 Mauser is not bad at all then, having the same level of power as the 45/70, good short range caliber.
Have you hunted with yours?

Good to know brass is easy to find to, same for the .450 BPE.


The .43 Mauser is a interesting caliber, with lot of history, and when a double hammer gun is offered, I get interested......

Thanks for helping

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Re: 450 31/4 BPE and the 11*60R (.43 Mauser?) today? [Re: vegard_dino]
      #161653 - 08/06/10 12:13 AM

Yes - the .43 is an interesting round. A number of them are used in winter postal antique military bench-rest matches through the cast bullet association - the M1871/86 with .446 groove diameters.

I haven't used mine (a carbine) for hunting, but there is nothing here in British Columbia it wouldln't kill - easily. At 7 pounds it has nice carry weight, but not so nice recoil absorbsion.
The common twist rate for them was 20", so they will stabilize up to 500gr., although the Double Rifle might be regulated for a 340 to 370gr. bullet.

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Re: 450 31/4 BPE and the 11*60R (.43 Mauser?) today? [Re: DarylS]
      #161662 - 08/06/10 06:01 AM



Hi

Thanks

I will send in some questions about the double, and find out some more about it.
But the . 43 Mauser is very interesting and I like the idea of having a nice double in a old European caliber, for all kinds of hunting in Europe and north america.

Thanks for helping me out

Best

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Re: 450 31/4 BPE and the 11*60R (.43 Mauser?) today? [Re: vegard_dino]
      #161711 - 09/06/10 12:27 AM

Vegard dino, are you thinking of hunting with this rifle in Sweden? Isn't there a ban on lead bullets there? If so, monos may not be good for the old steel or the soldering in a db rifle.

- Paul

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Re: 450 31/4 BPE and the 11*60R (.43 Mauser?) today? [Re: Paul]
      #161715 - 09/06/10 01:45 AM

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Vegard dino, are you thinking of hunting with this rifle in Sweden? Isn't there a ban on lead bullets there? If so, monos may not be good for the old steel or the soldering in a db rifle.

- Paul



That would suck big time. Aren't most moose hunters there using normal jacketed, lead core bullets?

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