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FrankS
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: 9.3x57]
#205494 - 19/03/12 01:53 PM

Lancaster, the stock looks great as well as the modified bolt handle. And with the period style scope and mounts looks even better. Cannot wait until you post pics after the rust bluing has been done. Guess you feel like an expectant father now that you are in the home stretch and finally see your dream rifle finished. This has been a great project as you documented each step and had pics at just about each step of the build. Congratulations, Frank

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lancaster
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FrankS]
#205504 - 19/03/12 05:26 PM

yes, having an idea that wants to become real and being pregnant is very similar if not the same.
I dont want to prejudge the trigger as it is now. it dont feels bad to pull it if you know it and I would not say its unsafe in any way. a hunting rifle have other needs than a target rifle for sure.

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Cashman
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
#205517 - 19/03/12 07:47 PM

Igorrock yes a Timney or another aftermarket trigger is good. There´s no denying that. I just don’t like the look of a side safety, but that´s just my opinion. I like the mushroom or the ring, the ring being more practical.

In my hunting rifle (8,2x53R) I use this mod without the aft-pull screw. In this case I can remove the lock at any time. Actually I adjust the aft-pull with a screw trough the trigger guard…

I like my trigger heavy to pull, with a very short pre-pull. The idea with this mod is that it is adjustable like any aftermarket trigger.

This was just an idea. Feel free to use or not. I haven’t gotten a world-wide patent for it…

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lancaster
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Cashman]
#205632 - 21/03/12 05:30 AM

cashman, would be nice if you could show some 8,2x53R cartridges: factory, handloads , ammo box

together with 7,62x53R cartridges if possible

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Cashman
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
#205682 - 21/03/12 08:54 PM

Sure I can. I have some pics, on my computer at home. I´ll try to find time to post some later. I don´t have any factory loads, since the only thing one can find nowadays is Sako Hammerhead loads and I don´t like them much. I have a bunch of original Sako and Lapua boxes somewhere and a heapload of handloads.

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lancaster
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Cashman]
#206716 - 07/04/12 06:38 PM

bokmal send me some pics made with a mobil phone. a new 9,3x53R Mosin sporting rifle project has allready started now.

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Igorrock
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
#206792 - 09/04/12 01:11 AM

Not so beautifull but in tecnical mean quite interesting DIY ghost ring sight in Mosin:

http://www.sporterizing.com/index.php?showtopic=8988

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lancaster
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
#207604 - 24/04/12 05:20 AM

no news but an interesting 8x2x53R sporter

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3835940
I like the pistol grip, very good style
think the rifle will go cheap buts a good basic for a sporter project

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Edited by CptCurl (24/05/12 08:35 PM)

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lancaster
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
#207859 - 30/04/12 03:40 AM

accidentally I found now the pics of a 9,3x53R double rifle again when looking for other stuff in the Deutsches Waffenjournal 9/97. its a russian Baikal double rifle M 10-09 that was made as an official present for Erich Honecker than the east german head of state in Izhevsk/Russia. the rifle was auctioned in 1997 with his other rifles. a friend have bought a russian hunting rifle in 5,6x39/ 220 russian from this lot. possible I find the owner of this double rifle also. would be interesting to see it. I am sure the double is regulated for the russian cartridge and will have problems with Sako ammunition.
blitz action with ejector's, russian scope on a space age claw mount

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Edited by CptCurl (24/05/12 08:36 PM)

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Igorrock
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
#207956 - 02/05/12 08:53 PM

I have seen some fotos of TULA 9x53R double rifles in finnish gunforums so I suppose it should be a couple of them here in Finland

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Bokmal
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
#207959 - 02/05/12 09:26 PM

The scope on Honeckers 9x53 double rifle looks very much like the pre-war russian PE sniper scope! That, in turn, was a russian licence made Zeiss....

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
#207961 - 03/05/12 01:58 AM

The Mosin Nagent rifles in 7.62X54R are running from $170.00 for standard rifles and carbines, both round and octagonal breeches, to to $225 for so-called Sniper Rifles at tradeex. How do they shoot? - Anyone?

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kuduae
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
#207976 - 03/05/12 07:34 AM

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That, in turn, was a russian licence made Zeiss....

Sorry, a quite common misconception. The PE scope was designed by another German company, Busch, Berlin, a medium big and famous optical company up to WW2. When the Soviets conquered Berlin in 1945, they immediatiely sacked in the complete Busch factory, machines, people, files, drawings and the rest. Everything and everyone was transported east, never to be heard about again.

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Bokmal
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: kuduae]
#207977 - 03/05/12 07:59 AM

Thanks kuduae, I stand corrected!

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Igorrock
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: kuduae]
#207978 - 03/05/12 08:03 AM

http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/RIFLES7.htm

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Important markstone of Soviet sniper rifle development was making 170 sniper rifles from M/91 dragoon rifles in year 1926. These rifles known as Moscow Dynamo rifles were equipped with Zeiss Dialytan 4X rifle scope and scope mount manufactured GECO (Gustav Geschow & Co). Testing and development took its time, so the Soviets they didn't introduce their first domestically manufactured sniper rifle until 1931.

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When Winter War started in end of November 1939 the Soviets had already over 54,000 sniper rifles equipped with PE (PT) and PEM (VP) scopes

I´m quite sure Bokmal means those scopes...

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kuduae
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
#207991 - 03/05/12 04:14 PM

Here something is wrong with the source: Zeiss is one company, their 1920s 4x scopes had the trademark "Zielvier". "Dialytan" was the trademark used by another, Hensoldt, Wetzlar, for their 4x scopes. So there were no "Zeiss Dialytan" scopes in pre-WW2 times.

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Igorrock
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: kuduae]
#208009 - 03/05/12 09:53 PM

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Here something is wrong with the source

It´s very normal and easy to mess with those model names. But the truth is that when Winterwar in november 1939 begins, have the russian snipers very high quality scopes on their rifles.

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kuduae
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
#208025 - 04/05/12 04:21 AM

Igorrock, possibly the high-quality German scopes the Russian used in the Winterwar were neither Zeiss Zielviers nor Hensoldt Dialytans, but scopes made by the Emil Busch AG Optische Werke, Rathenow (sorry, not Berlin, my mistake). The confusion is explainable: Busch cooperated closely with Zeiss. Since the 1930s they got their lenses made by Zeiss and were bought up by Zeiss in 1943. During WW2 Busch produced mainly artillery, fighter and bomber sights as well as rangefinders. WW2 sniper scope production was left to others, mainly Hensoldt, AJACK, Zeiss and many lesser optics makers.

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Igorrock
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: kuduae]
#208027 - 04/05/12 05:30 AM

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Igorrock, possibly the high-quality German scopes the Russian used in the Winterwar were neither Zeiss Zielviers nor Hensoldt Dialytans, but scopes made by the Emil Busch AG Optische Werke, Rathenow

Those scopes were more or less copies of german ones but domestic russian made. Both russian scope types have lateral reticle adjustment which was quite extraordinary in those days

PE-scope

PEM -scope

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FrankS
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
#208652 - 20/05/12 03:07 PM

I wouldn't quite go so far as to say the moisin nagant rifle has become the 98 mauser of 2012 but since I hit a few forums every day I am starting to see a lot more gunsmithing on these rifles. That ranges from just lopping off part of the barrel to some downright beautiful moisin custom rifles. And Lancasters's is one of them. However there is a certain M27 that was reworked by the Finnish that will never see a jacketed bullet as long as I am above ground. Shoots cast bullets like a laser. Low recoil and just fun to shoot. Only thing as we get older the eyeballs don't take to kindly to iron sights. Frank

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FrankS]
#209085 - 26/05/12 09:23 PM

Beautiful project and now I am thinking about making one for my self.I heard there was a custom Mosin Nagant aftermarket trigger maker in Germany.I tried to contact this fellow but he did not sell to the USA.I wonder if Finnish made Arctic Birch sporter stocks are still made as this would be a nice touch and is where I would want to go if I started a project such as this.

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texan72
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
#210328 - 07/06/12 09:55 AM

Big fan of old nagants, very nice rifles and stories posted here. I figured I would share
mine it was the first rifle I built from scratch. It was a New England westinhouse, don't have it anymore and this was the only picture I ever got of it but it was used at least. Regards ,RMJ

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lancaster
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: texan72]
#210345 - 07/06/12 03:33 PM

small pic but the rifle looks good
not to late to build a another one

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Igorrock
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
#210347 - 07/06/12 04:03 PM

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but the rifle looks good not to late to build a another one

I agree !

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Bokmal
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
#210349 - 07/06/12 04:53 PM

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Beautiful project and now I am thinking about making one for my self.I heard there was a custom Mosin Nagant aftermarket trigger maker in Germany.I tried to contact this fellow but he did not sell to the USA.I wonder if Finnish made Arctic Birch sporter stocks are still made as this would be a nice touch and is where I would want to go if I started a project such as this.

No-one in Finland makes Mosin-Nagant stocks on a regular basis anymore. Two friends solved this by buying furniture grade arctic birch (i.e. dried and with a nice figuring) and sent an old stock to be copied.

Do you have any more info on the rifle in your pics?

A 7x53R would make a nice companion for that rifle on the hood of your Land Rover

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not to late to build a another one

Just as long as you don't use an old collectible Mosin-Nagant as base for your project, I'm all for you building another. You obviously got the talent. How did you get the stock?

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