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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: texan72]
      #232694 - 19/07/13 02:33 PM

Here is two fotos of my Mosin with side mount. You are free to copy it to yours rifle:





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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #232771 - 21/07/13 06:43 PM

hello

EAW in germany make the sidemount also for the mosin action
http://www.eaw.de/assets/files/drZf_21_AM_seitl_M.pdf

looks similar to this classic here


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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #232961 - 26/07/13 10:51 PM

anyone still remember how this startet over 3 years ago now?

santa claus was coming to town




and now after a very long time in the probably longest thread ever on nitro express I am glad to announce that a new prince is born!

he have many parents : Bokmal who found all the rare parts in Finland for me and my gunmaker and good friend Siegmund Mittag/Luckenwalde who was cracy enough to understand my vision and many more helping here and there and give good hints.
I will thank anyone






















made as a companion for my Husqvarna in 9,3x57 believing I get the spirit of this old gunmakers

















ammo group pic, the only one missing is the new made russian 9,3x53R with copper plated steel case









special thank to bokmanl for the 9,3x53R Sako with 15 gramm spitzer bullet!

I have a special weakness for actions with long magazine's like Mannlicher










Edited by lancaster (26/07/13 10:53 PM)

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #232962 - 26/07/13 11:00 PM

I am coming to an end with collecting in the near future only 3 rifles missing

M 88 9x57
M 91 9,3x53R
M 92 375NE 2,5"
M 94 9,3x57
M 98 9,3x64
10,75x57
11,2x60






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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #232963 - 26/07/13 11:25 PM

Nice family portrait, including the swedish cousin...

It was great to get to see the results of this project IRL! But I kept getting distracted by all the other beauties you keep hidden in you safes...

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #232966 - 26/07/13 11:59 PM

it was a special pleasure for me that you were the first one having the finished rifle in your hands

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #232969 - 27/07/13 01:02 AM

Very nice rifles indeed !

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #233040 - 28/07/13 04:49 AM

These Mosins are for sale here in Finlad, price 85€/piece. All made by SAKO:

http://www.tori.fi/lappi/Sakon_kivaareita_7390264.htm?ca=14&w=3

7x53R


8,2x53R


9,3x53R


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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #233050 - 28/07/13 11:11 AM

Your Mosin turned out beautifully, Lancaster. Well worth the wait Gorgeous lines!

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #233078 - 28/07/13 11:06 PM

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Nice family portrait, including the swedish cousin...




I agree up until the "Swedish cousin" part...
At most I would call it a second cousin...



To make it even harder for the local Mosin collectors, I have just finished my latest project. 9,3mmSM is the caliber of this most effective newcomer. It started out as a 9,3x53R that I bought for only 50 Euros. Now it delivers roughly the same effect as a .370 Sako Magnum. The cases are made of shortened .338 Winchester magnum cases or any belted magnum case excluding the .450 Marlin. The measurements are the same as the .350 Rem Mag, except for the projectile and a longer freebore in the chamber. The idea was to be able to use solid bullets with minimum work on the rifle. The discussion about banning lead projectiles in hunting is growing stronger every day even in Finland.
I actually only re-bored the chamber and that's about all..



The bipod is made out of a bipod from a Finnish light machinegun (aka. KK62).
Silencer is a JaKi aluminum silencer. The scope is an Zeiss Duralyt 3-12x50. The stock is from a Merte rifle. Merte stands for Mukkulan Erikois Teollisuus who rebuilt and sporterized many old Finnish army weapons post war. I always thought they would have been better off using Muerte instead, just in case they ever went international...
(The cans under the table are not beer cans but Angry Birds soda cans... my kids love it a bit too much...)



Left 9,3x53R, in the middle 9,3mmSM and to the right 9,3x62.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Cashman]
      #233129 - 30/07/13 01:40 AM

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Quote:

Nice family portrait, including the swedish cousin...




I agree up until the "Swedish cousin" part...
At most I would call it a second cousin...




I think the "swedish cousin" is right because when this whole thing startet I oriented myself on the design of the Husqvarna M 46, M 46a and M 146 sporting rifles. have the feeling they were a very harmonious blend of german and british elements refined in a pure style. seeing this its allways hard for me to understand what happen with bolt action rifles after WW 2 because its so clear what good taste is.
and dont forget the 9,3x53R is the rimmed twin of the 9,3x57!


the 9,3mmSM looks like a very potential little beast! is this wildcat your own invention?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #233131 - 30/07/13 03:29 AM

Yes it is my own invention.
I have plans on converting a 8,2x53R with the same idea. Maybe I’ll even pick up one of those nice ones that Igorrock mentioned…

I started by planning a cartridge that would need minimum changes to the rifle itself.
Since the measurements of my original wildcat were so close to .350 Rem Mag, I made mine match to find reloading equipment easier. I actually use a .350 Rem Mag sizing die and seating die I only made a new neck calibrator to the sizing die. I could even use .350 Rem Mag brass, but there are none available in Finland.

I got to test it a few weeks ago on a 300m range and it worked better than I expected.
The recoil without the silencer is quite uncomfortable but with it bearable. A 250grain Barnes TSX leaves the barrel at 770m/s and this is a safe load.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Cashman]
      #233140 - 30/07/13 06:17 AM

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I started by planning a cartridge that would need minimum changes to the rifle itself.


How about the extractor ? Which kind of changes it needs ? Yours stock looks quite nice. I´m looking for a new wallnut stock to my mosin so PM me if you find any. Even half made interest me.

By the way, I have seen pictures of Mosin which shoots .338 Lapua Magnum (made in USA). The maker told that he had shot aprc. 100 shots without any problem.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #233227 - 31/07/13 06:08 AM

Actually I didn't do anything to the extractor. The 0,85mm difference in rim diameter fall within Russian standards... You know what I mean. It works nicely with all brass except for Winchester, which has a slightly different size grove. If it starts becoming a problem, then I have plans for it already.

I'll talk to my friends about the stock. They are hard to find and most Mosinists don't want to part with them. This one I found by accident when I was trying to sell the left handed free rifle stock that came with the 50 euro Mosin.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #233282 - 01/08/13 03:36 AM

I really like that look for that side mount, I think I found my action to start with, a Westinghouse
1915 , now for the fun part I am converting it to 300 Winchester mag will keep y'all updated with the project. and also anyone have a source for the ringed safety for these thanks again

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: texan72]
      #233283 - 01/08/13 04:02 AM

You want to convert a rifle, made for shooting rimmed cartridges, into one for shooting belted rimless magnums? Why?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FinnCollector]
      #233284 - 01/08/13 04:12 AM

I know don't scold me too bad, I shot one a guy converted and had to have one no other reason. I would consider another chambering but after I do this one, , and it will take it abuse of the 300wm not a tough conversion at all just moving some metal around.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: texan72]
      #233285 - 01/08/13 05:54 AM

How about 348 Winchester necked to 30 cal?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FinnCollector]
      #233290 - 01/08/13 07:12 AM

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How about 348 Winchester necked to 39 cal?


that could be interesting, be a thumper on Hogs for sure

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: texan72]
      #233296 - 01/08/13 07:55 AM

Sorry, should have been 30 cal. Would have equivalent power to 300 WM, if not more...especially @ 50K psi.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FinnCollector]
      #233297 - 01/08/13 07:57 AM

No extractor mod required and very little bolt face difference. COAL can be made similar to 7.62x54R/53R but with a big increase in powder capacity.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FinnCollector]
      #233310 - 01/08/13 01:36 PM

again a combination gun in 9,3x53R Switzerland and 16/65 but not the well known ESHA/Suhl but a Sauer&Sohn Suhl pre war made.
http://www.waffenboerse.ch/gebrauchtwaff...65-9-3x53r.html









Sauer&Sohn was the biggest and most versatile maker in Suhl so no wonder build also rifles for the swiss cartridge. for 600 CHF a great combination gun for the dedicated S&S collector.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #233317 - 01/08/13 06:01 PM

Question; how near those 9,3x53R Swiss and Finnish are with each others in case dimensions.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #233368 - 02/08/13 04:05 AM

if you remember that the 9,3x53R Swiss is the rimmed 9,3x53 which is not more than a 7,5x55 necked up to 9,3mm the swiss and the finnish case are surprising close to each other. you have to reduce the rim thickness on Sako brass and blow the neck out with a fireform load.

iirc, the rim thickness is max 1,60 mm on the finnish case and 1,10mm max on the swiss case, the neck is 4mm forward on the swiss case

many owner of swiss rifles use Sako brass for handloading with the little benefit it have the right headstamp also.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #233371 - 02/08/13 04:16 AM

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if you remember that the 9,3x53R Swiss is the rimmed 9,3x53 which is not more than a 7,5x55 necked up to 9,3mm the swiss and the finnish case are surprising close to each other.

Thanks, that´s new to me. Swiss 7,5x55 interests me a lot because it´s bottom diameter is very near 9,3x64 Brenneke......

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