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Matt_Graham
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Verny-Carron
      #150219 - 11/01/10 12:33 PM

Hi Folks

I may have the opportunity in coming weeks to lay my hands on a new Verney double. I dont have any experience of them but they seem to be pretty solid and nicely made. Does anyone else have any tips if this is a good thing or not??

Thinking about 470 over a 450 3 1/4 in a case coloured finish over the coin finished jobs

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #150266 - 12/01/10 01:33 AM

Matt

Sounds like you are getting tempted by the double barrel dark side.

Can't comment on the V-C but I'd go for the .450, more choice in projectiles. But either will provide the goods and a .470 is more likely to have factory ammo available around the world.

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: NitroX]
      #150401 - 12/01/10 06:14 PM

Tempted?? Hell I have always wanted one!! Just getting sick of waiting around for Marrakai to leave me one of his in his will!!!

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #150402 - 12/01/10 06:29 PM

Go 450

Heaps of bullet choices, many of them very good cheap game hunting bullets too!




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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #150415 - 12/01/10 09:30 PM

Hi Matt , yes 450NE is good/better mate but only in a rifle that is the right size ie small/light/handy , if the same size as 470NE action , get a 500NE 3in much more smash than both ,will make a better back up rifle ,wink, wink & hopefully the barrel will not fall off like the 458Winny

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: Sarg]
      #150418 - 12/01/10 10:03 PM

There is enough bullet choice in the 470...Woodleigh.
The 470 hits harder that a 450NE but the 450 penetrates better.
470 Brass is available at a reasonable price from Norma and Hornady.
450 is available from Hornerber and Hornady.
450 can be built on a lighter action due to its slender case.
You could always flick a coin...

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Re: Verny-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #150804 - 16/01/10 06:42 AM

Matt

I am very impressed with the V-C guns. Major problem for me was getting over the French thing.

I own a V-C .577 and have ordered a bespoke .500 which is due in April. I have found the V-C's to kick less than the other Continental makes I have owned. The V-C guns have been cleaning up at the Vintagers competition the last two years.

In choosing between the .470 and .450, I would pick the .450. Just my opinion.

Back to the bespoke option, if you can hold tight and wait a few months you can get a gun built to your dimensions with your chosen options. I ordered my .500 to weigh 11 1/2# to 12# with rounded action and 26" bbls. and a bunch more custom touches. Ken Bush at KEBCO is the U.S. importer and an all around good guy.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Verny-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #150815 - 16/01/10 07:55 AM

If you want to order a boxlock I don't think you could do better than V-C. I have a custom made V-C set and it was well worth the wait. I found myself in a similar conundrum regarding which caliber to order. So I decided to order mine with two sets of barrels. The gun is built on one action size so, depending on the combination ordered, you might have either a second set of lighter barrels for a heavier frame or a second set of heavier barrels for a lighter frame. But, unless the difference is extreme, I think the benefits are worth it.

My gun happens to be a 9.3x74R/7x65R set. It balances well with either barrel set and is neither too heavy nor too light. The scope is for the 7x65R and the 9.3x74R barrels have a flip up "night" sight on the front.

My suggestion is that you order a gun to your specifications. I just don't enjoy shooting anything heavier than a 450. So I think a 450 with a second barrel set in a smaller bore like 450/400 would be a very versatile choice. You can set up each barrel set for the kind of shooting you will be doing.

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Re: Verny-Carron [Re: Grenadier]
      #150837 - 16/01/10 03:57 PM

Verney Carron makes a fantastic product for a fair price! They will make it to your specs in almost any caliber including the big 600NE.

BR

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: 1980E26]
      #152307 - 31/01/10 08:26 AM

Getting close....getting VERY close!!!

Looks like it will be the 450 3 1/4 over the 470. Personally I would have rathered the 470 but there isnt a lot of difference - just a few foot pounds and a bit more frontal area.

The main reason I picked the 450 was that I just couldnt wait for a fitted gun and while the 470 Ken had looked great I just couldnt get it to fit me. The coin finished 450 fitted perfectly, even though they were all cut to the same specs, so I am going to go with that one!!! Hooray!!!

Thanks for your comments and advice guys...

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #152313 - 31/01/10 09:58 AM

Sounds great, will you have for next weeek end??? For a looksee???

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: ozhunter]
      #152316 - 31/01/10 11:15 AM

No mate sorry - wish I did!! Prolly a 2 month wait to get the gun out of the USA.... compared to a nine month wait to get the fitted version... I took the 2 month option!!

I just wanted it for this hunting season. Also Ken the VC agent in USA is coming to do a hunt with us this year - I'm hoping to do some promo for the guns during the hunt. Ken is bringing his VC 577 I think... that will be cool!!

I think Ken is a member here too...

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #152317 - 31/01/10 11:17 AM

Any ideas where to get brass from???

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #152319 - 31/01/10 11:19 AM

Ask Ken!

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #152320 - 31/01/10 11:49 AM

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Any ideas where to get brass from???


At one of the Melbourne shows I got talking to the Hornady agent and he told me they would be bringing in the NE range.
Not sure if that was just ammo or cases as well.
I can ask John C if he has any Hornerber available. Its great quality but quite pricey.

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: ozhunter]
      #152330 - 31/01/10 02:39 PM

spent some time with them at sci while i set up a booth for zoli nice work they had a nice 577 and a 600 there and they will be bringing out a 375 rimmed soon they were a nice change and very easy to talk to

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #152331 - 31/01/10 02:40 PM

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Any ideas where to get brass from???



At some of the shows Bertram often has a seconds box, which still function OK. I bought more than a couple hundred of .450's from him to add to the 60 I had at full price.

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: NitroX]
      #152352 - 31/01/10 07:13 PM

Hornady brass for the 450 NE 3 1/4 can be found at Cabelas and Grafs Reloading supplies. If you find a coupon for Cabelas they have the best prices as I just bought 5 boxes from them.
Midway is the only one that I know of at the present who has both the Hornady dies and shell holder (#54) in stock.

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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: Snowwolfe]
      #152354 - 31/01/10 07:24 PM



Hey Snowwolfe,

Matt might need a "Care" package sent, the US is really giving the companies in the US a hard time and they can't Export even to an allie.....


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Re: Verney-Carron [Re: gryphon]
      #152370 - 31/01/10 10:03 PM

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Ask Ken!

Sorry I meant in OZ!!

Thanks for the help guys... can I get a care package of UP brass from the USA without a B709 ??

Dont really want to send brass with the gun on the same form and docket... just complicates things..

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Re: Verny-Carron [Re: Grenadier]
      #152437 - 01/02/10 01:31 PM

Quote:

If you want to order a boxlock I don't think you could do better than V-C. I have a custom made V-C set and it was well worth the wait. I found myself in a similar conundrum regarding which caliber to order. So I decided to order mine with two sets of barrels. The gun is built on one action size so, depending on the combination ordered, you might have either a second set of lighter barrels for a heavier frame or a second set of heavier barrels for a lighter frame. But, unless the difference is extreme, I think the benefits are worth it.

My gun happens to be a 9.3x74R/7x65R set. It balances well with either barrel set and is neither too heavy nor too light. The scope is for the 7x65R and the 9.3x74R barrels have a flip up "night" sight on the front.

My suggestion is that you order a gun to your specifications. I just don't enjoy shooting anything heavier than a 450. So I think a 450 with a second barrel set in a smaller bore like 450/400 would be a very versatile choice. You can set up each barrel set for the kind of shooting you will be doing.



I would be more inclined to look at .450 with a set of 9.3X74 barrels. I had thought to recommend the .375 flanged but ammo is harder to come by and the 9.3X74 is nearly the same with more ammo choices. I would get both fitted with a QD scope.
Bill

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Re: Verny-Carron [Re: Bill_Cooley]
      #152463 - 01/02/10 05:02 PM

Quote:

Quote:

If you want to order a boxlock I don't think you could do better than V-C. I have a custom made V-C set and it was well worth the wait. I found myself in a similar conundrum regarding which caliber to order. So I decided to order mine with two sets of barrels. The gun is built on one action size so, depending on the combination ordered, you might have either a second set of lighter barrels for a heavier frame or a second set of heavier barrels for a lighter frame. But, unless the difference is extreme, I think the benefits are worth it.

My gun happens to be a 9.3x74R/7x65R set. It balances well with either barrel set and is neither too heavy nor too light. The scope is for the 7x65R and the 9.3x74R barrels have a flip up "night" sight on the front.

My suggestion is that you order a gun to your specifications. I just don't enjoy shooting anything heavier than a 450. So I think a 450 with a second barrel set in a smaller bore like 450/400 would be a very versatile choice. You can set up each barrel set for the kind of shooting you will be doing.



I would be more inclined to look at .450 with a set of 9.3X74 barrels. I had thought to recommend the .375 flanged but ammo is harder to come by and the 9.3X74 is nearly the same with more ammo choices. I would get both fitted with a QD scope.
Bill

I wouldnt get a scope for the 450 but a 375/9.3 would sure be a great combo!! I've only got six or seven rifles in that calibre range - whats another one going to matter??

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Re: Verny-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #152464 - 01/02/10 05:08 PM


Hi Matt,

Did you get the PM that I sent you...

Cheers,

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Re: Verny-Carron [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #152466 - 01/02/10 08:05 PM

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Hi Matt,

Did you get the PM that I sent you...

Cheers,

Jeff Gray

On here?? NO!!

send me an email if you like office at huntaust.com.au

CYA
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Re: Verny-Carron [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #152467 - 01/02/10 08:09 PM

Sorry - found it... didnt get the notification for some reason??

Thanks for that!!

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