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EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S
      #147536 - 10/12/09 07:26 AM

JUST WAS NOTIFIED BY EAA AFTER WAITING FOR A YEAR THEY HAVE SCREWED ALL THE DEALERS ONLY CABELAS WILL GET THE FIRST FEW THOUSAND THEN THEY WILL FILL OTHER ORDERS,THAT SUCKS AND WHEN I TALKED TO CABELAS THEY DONT WANT THE 577 0R 600 SO THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT STORY BUT THAT IS THE NEWS SO FAR SO IF YOU ARE A DEALER IT WILL BE AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE YOUR ORDER WILL BE FILLED IF EVER,I GUESS ITS TIME TO SEND BACK DEPOSITS AND FORGET ABOUT ORDERS IF YOU GO TO THE SHOT SHOW PLEASE LET THEM KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS DIRTY DEAL I FOR ONE WILL BOYCOTT CABELAS HOW ABOUT YOU.I GUESS IF YOU ARE NOT A DEALER ITS A MUTE POINT IF YOU ARE A DEALER CALL EAA AND VOICE YOUR OPINION

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: bwananelson]
      #147539 - 10/12/09 07:43 AM

AND CABELAS WONT CARRY THE PLAIN VERSION PER SIDNEY NEB. OFFICE,,,,,SO ITS GOING TO COST YOU 5500 OR MORE PER THEM THATS A 1700$ MARK UP..WELL I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO BE HAPPY WITH WHAT I HAVE NOW.SO DONT WORRY ABOUT SABATTI'S LOWERING THE VALUE OF DOUBLES ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.....SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS JUST PISSSED THIS IS WRONG

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: bwananelson]
      #147540 - 10/12/09 07:44 AM



I like that.

EAA screws the dealers and Cabelas don't want what would be popular calibres.

Bloody stupid if you ask me.


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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: 500Nitro]
      #147543 - 10/12/09 07:57 AM

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I like that.

EAA screws the dealers and Cabelas don't want what would be popular calibres.

Bloody stupid if you ask me.




No, now they will buy two guns.

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: 450_366]
      #147544 - 10/12/09 08:03 AM

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No, now they will buy two guns.





What do you mean ?


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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: 500Nitro]
      #147545 - 10/12/09 08:14 AM

Everyone wanted to buy a cheap 577, now they will settle for a smaller caliber. Next year they release the larger, and now they will buy the 577 they wanted from the start.

Flooding the market with cheap medium caliber DR, and the value of the vintage vill drop to the cost of a common bolt rifle.

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: 450_366]
      #147548 - 10/12/09 09:00 AM

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Flooding the market with cheap medium caliber DR, and the value of the vintage vill drop to the cost of a common bolt rifle.





I'm not worried about the effect Sabbati will have on the prices of vintage double rifles.

Just not the same breed of cat.

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: CptCurl]
      #147549 - 10/12/09 09:08 AM

two guns are not cheap thats 11-12000 if they have that they wont settle for a sabatti they will up grade from the get go.i still want NE or rigby calibers just will fill the void with bolts and get three or four,nah, but i have plenty to play with i guess the dream will stay a dream.if it was meant to be it was meant to be but karma does work and i hope it bites them in the ass .cabelas sold wild wings and they may be feeling the pinch with BPS AND GANDER GETTING BIGGER....BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEY SAY AT SCI.....

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: bwananelson]
      #147550 - 10/12/09 09:11 AM

I WILL buy a vintage at a bolts price wanna sell yours

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: bwananelson]
      #147553 - 10/12/09 09:48 AM

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I WILL buy a vintage at a bolts price wanna sell yours




Sorry, i was ironic, but i would by all i could get my hands on.

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: 450_366]
      #147561 - 10/12/09 11:39 AM

IMO, the Sabattis will have ZERO effect on the vintage double rifle market.
As Curl says, not the same breed of cat.
In fact, I can not think of a single example of new firearm which has caused the established vintage market to drop at all. If anything, the opposite is probable by simply raising awareness where there wasn't any before.
Take Winchester 1895's for example.
Once the new 405's became available and ammo was once again common, the vintage values shot way up.

BTW, it looks like Cabela's has the lower priced model in 45/70 too.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/A-Cabel...un_id=100108784

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      #147566 - 10/12/09 01:03 PM

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: bonanza]
      #147568 - 10/12/09 01:24 PM

Kind of reminds me of the EAA/Remington deal where Rem took over all Baikal sales. First thing they did was jack the prices up $100. It took a couple years, but where did the whole deal end up? In the toilet. I get a feeling history is repeating itself and, eventually, EAA will regret it.

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: Huvius]
      #147569 - 10/12/09 01:28 PM

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BTW, it looks like Cabela's has the lower priced model in 45/70 too.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/A-Cabel...un_id=100108784




By the way, the 45/70 is the ONLY Sabatti offered as a plane-jane rifle in the EAA/USFG catalog. All the other calibers are engraved model only.

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: Sgt_Brown]
      #147571 - 10/12/09 02:03 PM

EAA is a bit of a joke of an outfit IMO.

And as for the dealers screwing whatever, all gun companies support dealers.

Ever bought a Remington direct from the "kill floor" so-to-speak?

No, and you won't, either.

Just wait for the guns to show up. IF they ever do...

And good heavens, I wouldn't front EAA a dime of a third cousin's money, either.

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: 9.3x57]
      #147572 - 10/12/09 03:44 PM

those 45 70's were from the batch that got here 2-3 weeks ago and from cabelas they said they only ordered the engraved and up for the ejectors to increase the price 500.so its the mom and pop shop that gets screwed it the american way.volume speaks louder than box lot.cabelas even told me their cost 3700$ for the engraved now thats either stupid or arrogant.so i guess i will scout for a new dream,i hear in the wind zoli has plans for something new.wonder how many return to the sales rack or bargain basement

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: bwananelson]
      #147573 - 10/12/09 03:49 PM

as far as plane and engraved they offered both i still have the whole sale sheet and the wortless purchase order.i wonder if i have any legal grounds since they did enter an agreement any lawywers out there.what if you are holding signed orders

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: bwananelson]
      #147574 - 10/12/09 04:05 PM

Bwana-


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as far as plane and engraved they offered both i still have the whole sale sheet and the wortless purchase order.i wonder if i have any legal grounds since they did enter an agreement any lawywers out there.what if you are holding signed orders





I'm going to answer this with a situation quoted by our friend 577NitroExpress on another site in This Thread over on AccurateReloading


577NitroExpress quoted from a 2005 document:
Quote:

quote:
JOHN RIGBY: Case Summary & 20 Largest Unsecured Creditors
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Debtor: John Rigby & Co. (Gunmakers) Inc.
500 Linne Road, Suite D
Paso Robles, California 93446

Bankruptcy Case No.: 05-13079

Type of Business: The Debtor manufactures guns.

Chapter 11 Petition Date: October 3, 2005

Court: Central District of California (Santa Barbara)

Judge: Robin Riblet

Debtor's Counsel: Jay L. Michaelson, Esq.
7 West Figueroa Street, Second Floor
Santa Barbara, California 93101-3191
Tel: (805) 965-1011

Financial Condition as of October 3, 2005:

Total Assets: $3,250,000

Total Debts: $1,950,080

Debtor's 20 Largest Unsecured Creditors:

Entity Nature of Claim Claim Amount
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J Mark Grosvenor Unsecured loan $130,750
P.O. Box 1444
Wilson, WY 83014-1444

Ken Griffin Consumer deposit $115,000
131 South Dearborn Street
Chicago, IL 60603

Gary Honbarrier Unsecured loan $100,000
495 Griffith Road
Advance, NC 27006

Suzanne Webb Vendor $89,541

Dr. Victor Pickett Consumer deposit $60,000

Marc Halcon Purchase money $52,882

Dwight Van Brunt Consumer deposit $42,320

Fernando Soler Valle Consumer deposit $40,000

Gassner and Company Vendor $37,282

Mike Scruggs Consumer deposit $34,965

J Paul Beitler Consumer deposit $24,000

Bradley T. Moore Vendor $21,847

E. Boddington Unsecured loan $21,423

Lee Thompson Consumer deposit $16,875

William McAlphin Consumer deposit $15,120

Int'l Sprotman's Marketing Vendor $15,077

Craig Boddington Unsecured loan $12,998

Cameron Hopkins Consumer deposit $11,116

Joseph Thompson Consumer deposit $10,000

Dale M. Evans Consumer deposit $9,990







You can take from that whatever floats your boat.
For all it's worth, the noted rifle company is still in business.
Got lawyers?
I bet EAA has lawyers too.
They might make an exception for you, always helps to say please...



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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: tinker]
      #147577 - 10/12/09 04:22 PM

ah i was not stupid either i had a signed purchase order to be pain when item arrived my clients monies were set aside the same way so they will not loose out.but there stands a written agreement signed by their employee to deliver said goods,i have been supportive for a year now the please bullshit is off the table.these practices wont ensure a long business future i hope cabelas wont drop them like wild wings or several others,people wont forget and eaa does not sell anything else someone cant do as good or better

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: bwananelson]
      #147627 - 11/12/09 12:32 PM

Strange that the only two targets I have seen (both Cabela's) show one barrel over the other.

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #147636 - 11/12/09 01:55 PM

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Strange that the only two targets I have seen (both Cabela's) show one barrel over the other.




Of COURSE they were.

Gangsta Style double shooting...



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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: 9.3x57]
      #147737 - 12/12/09 05:21 PM

at least my russian ugly baby shoots s x s and puts holes sxs

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: bwananelson]
      #147743 - 12/12/09 07:11 PM

Sounds like another one of those ''Pie in the Sky ''gun stories ,Wif hein ,the PH action from Montana ,other Actions that never appear ,Deposits that ''Go West'' Cheap and Quality double rifle dont go together another ''Dream ''i think

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: 500Boswell]
      #147759 - 12/12/09 09:29 PM

Excuse my ignorance but who are EAA (I'm an Aussie). I can see an ever cheaper market for .577 and .600 NE's not long after they do come out, after everyone gets the crap knocked out of them. They will be selling them real quick. It will be great to watch on you tube, I will stick to what I know I can handle. But it would be fun to own a .600NE

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Re: EAA SCREWS DEALERS ON SABATTI'S [Re: 010166]
      #147771 - 13/12/09 12:56 AM

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Excuse my ignorance but who are EAA (I'm an Aussie). I can see an ever cheaper market for .577 and .600 NE's not long after they do come out, after everyone gets the crap knocked out of them. They will be selling them real quick. It will be great to watch on you tube, I will stick to what I know I can handle. But it would be fun to own a .600NE




EAA is an importer. They've been around a while, but they gained their "fame" {infamy at times} with the original importation of the Russian Baikal guns. Service from them was staggeringly atrocious, service staff attitude worse, and the guns they brought in varied from cheap but serviceable and very nice "for the money" to absolute cobs. They sold the Baikal guns for some years then entered into some sort of agreement with Remington, who as has been stated, commanded control of the sales and merely slapped $100 more on the price tag for no improvement of the breed. Those who thought Remington might tweak the engineering on them and guarantee better QC were immediately proven to be dreamers of the pipiest sort.

Everyone has their opinions on this stuff, but I agree 100% with the post here about the .577 and .600 guns. Yes, yes, there are those fellows who shoot these big ones and in some way enjoy them, but most, meaning in my opinion, damn near all the fellows that buy these things will regret it, whether they admit it on a forum or not, and just as is said, this will be proven as the guns quietly slip back on the market. "Only Put 4 Rounds Thru It" will no doubt be a great selling point.

Fun, sure. Everybody wants a .600 or a .577!

And SOME guys {some guys here} actually enjoy shooting this sort of stuff. Good for them.

I admit it. My mind about these things has changed over the years. Mostly changed by my association with mean horses. All men that stand around the corral and look at the wild thing kicking dust up in the middle talk big about squeezing leather and catching a glimpse of the young gals winking but most of us that have a few gray hairs and have done it a few times would rather get a hug from the wife than hug our balls for a fortnight while we relish the memories of our equine conquest.

You can have the .577 and .600.

Or come to think of it. Maybe a guy could make a nice sideline business. Buy one and travel with the carnival. Charge $50 to shoot it so every wannabe bwana can say he did without actually having to plunk down hard cash for a wallhanger.

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