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wbyman
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NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced !
      #142520 - 23/09/09 04:32 AM

I just talked to EAA and the lady said she just talked to the person in charge and .500 nitro will be the largest caliber available. I would like someone else to call today and see if you get the same story. I really wanted that .600. Just under $3000.00 retail.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: wbyman]
      #142521 - 23/09/09 05:17 AM


I thought someone said that they have one on order and being made ?????

Somehow it sounded too good to be true.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #142523 - 23/09/09 06:18 AM

I just called and was told the 577 and 600 are being made but EAA decided not to import them now, but might after the first of the year. My dealer said he still has the order showing pending for me and has not heard anything from EAA canceling the order. Who knows. I had hoped to get one and test its quality. Clearly a $3000 .600 NE double is a gamble. Oh well.

Matthew

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: Matthew]
      #142524 - 23/09/09 06:25 AM



Why the hell would you not import something people want ???

Seems very strange to me.

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wbyman
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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #142525 - 23/09/09 06:44 AM

I told her I would take 2 of the 600's if they would import them, her response was sorry.She said they stopped importing Baikal three weeks ago also. I think if enough people would call or email them we could still get the 577's and 600's to the US.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: wbyman]
      #142526 - 23/09/09 06:53 AM



Any reason why they have stopped importing both brands ????


Seems strange.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #142527 - 23/09/09 07:01 AM

The are going to have to get the destructive device sporting arm waiver before they can get there import permits if the caliber exceeds .50

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: DoubleD]
      #142529 - 23/09/09 07:09 AM

That was my first though too DoubleD. But double rifles have an excemption IIRC.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: AkMike]
      #142530 - 23/09/09 07:12 AM


I believe DR's have the exemption, that's what I was told.

At least your Gov't understands the difference between one
.50 cal and another !!!

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Matthew
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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #142531 - 23/09/09 07:39 AM

Individual cartridges have the exemption. Both the 577 NE and 600 NE are exempt. I emailed Sabatti and asked if they were really producing and had a different importer lined up. Hopfully I will get an answer by tomorrow. I do know a firearms importer, maybe I will ask how hard it is to do it. Maybe he would want to be the supplier. The thing I worry about is maybe EAA and USSG have found quality issues and do not want to warranty the guns.

Matthew

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: Matthew]
      #142544 - 23/09/09 11:26 AM

The Importer has to apply for and be granted the exemption to import. If the ATF6 is issued it's granted.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: DoubleD]
      #142589 - 24/09/09 02:26 AM

I would be very afraid of any .600NE that retailed for $3000!!!

Bike Rider

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: 1980E26]
      #142638 - 25/09/09 12:04 AM

A quick check of USSG's web site now shows the Sabatti is only offered in 45/70 in the inexpensive model and 45/70 through 500 NE in the deluxe model. 577 and 600 are no longer listed. All Baikal models appear to still be listed.

Again, I have to suspect that the confusing and conflicting answers being given out by USSG employees are not attempts at deception. It's just that the situation is so fluid even they don't know what is going on.

Tom

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: Sgt_Brown]
      #142657 - 25/09/09 11:01 AM

USSG lists some rimless cartridges for the SAB92SF,
such as .375 H&H,.416 Rigby and .458 WM. See:
http://www.ussginc.com/pdfs/catalogpg7.pdf
That requires extractors to deal with the lack
of a case rim.

There is a PDF of the .45/70 manual at:
http://www.ussginc.com/Manuals/USSG_Model_SAB92SF.pdf
Take a look at the extractors in figure #20 on page 13.
This rifle does not look like it will withstand much
use at the range or in the field.

The safety merely blocks the triggers. See "Trigger
Block Safety" on pages 9-10.

If the rifle is "regulated" at all, it would be as delivered.
The catalog says it is - Drilled & Tapped for Optics Rail.
There is no recoil pad. There is an - ENGRAVED
WALNUT BUTT PAD instead. There will be an effect on
accuracy when a recoil pad and perhaps a scope are added.

The price is nice, but if accuracy and reliability are
not up to snuff, it is not a bargain. I hope that anyone
who buys one gets great performance, but I'll wait and see.
Being a first adopter can be expensive.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: wbyman]
      #142671 - 25/09/09 01:09 PM

i talked to them after the owner just came back from russia and italy and all was still good will call tomorrow i am thinking to many orders had to stop taking more but i will call in am,i wish the guy from canada would give an update he said his was in his hands thats the last i have heard

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Edited by bwananelson (25/09/09 02:16 PM)

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: bwananelson]
      #142675 - 25/09/09 05:34 PM

It's interesting that they talk about the Sabatti in htat PDF,but they show one of those Russian Biakals. I bet that is the same manual that they use for the Biakal.The only thing lacking is the barrel adjustment pages.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: AkMike]
      #142681 - 25/09/09 11:02 PM

The manual in the link provided also makes mention of returning the rifle to Spartan Gun Works should one encounter problems.

I am still interested in seeing how this all works out.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: AkMike]
      #142683 - 26/09/09 12:15 AM

Quote:

It's interesting that they talk about the Sabatti in htat PDF,but they show one of those Russian Biakals. I bet that is the same manual that they use for the Biakal.The only thing lacking is the barrel adjustment pages.



Curiouser still... If you blow up the close-ups of the action, you see light engraving (not on the Baikal) and markings the rifle is 308 Win (available in neither the Baikal or Sabatti).

Tom

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: Mauser416]
      #142684 - 26/09/09 12:18 AM

ok this is getting ot of hand i just called 10 am today and they denied the rumor of no 577 or 600's i cant believe the amount of cackleing over a gun no one has seen or shot.i know i wont add to this cchaos till i have one in my hands.aan say all i can say is be patient i have been on top of tjis since day one of the shot show have had hours of conversation with the company,i even turned down those case colored 45-70's.to argue over a picture is futile.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: bwananelson]
      #142703 - 26/09/09 11:16 AM

People that work at EAA are either lying to you or lying to me. They told me NO .577's and NO .600's. It will be interesting to see what happens. It sounds to me like they have no idea !

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: wbyman]
      #142704 - 26/09/09 11:28 AM

time will tell

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: bwananelson]
      #142705 - 26/09/09 11:32 AM


I think someone needs to go to the head (CEO) of both companies with a written letter about all the bullshit different stories and that it will be published on all the forums with whatever response they come back with.

The fact that you are getting so many conflicting stories is BS.

They are either being made or they are not.

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #142706 - 26/09/09 11:47 AM

all i know is i have 6 on order and all are pending.are the people calling dealers.every one who has ordered through a dealer says all is a go.now remember sabatti could not proof any firearms during august due to the proof house holiday during the month of august EAA stated they have stacks of orders they will make money.how fast can a double be built especially in 577 or 600 not many and not fast,good and fast don't go together.oh and none of my orders have been canceled.we can speculate all you want i remember not long ago that the biakals were said never to be produced and i have one in my safe remember it took remington three years to make that deal happen its ony been a few months be patient.order any 600 it will take an average of 18 months and allot of zero's on the check.but it is fun reading all the cackling and squaking.i find it amusing and fun reading

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: bwananelson]
      #143068 - 03/10/09 01:49 AM

I just got off the phone with EAA , now they say the .577 and .600 may be produced, but it could be a year out. They have no idea what is going on !

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Re: NO Sabatti .577 or .600 nitro rifles will be produced ! [Re: wbyman]
      #143069 - 03/10/09 01:53 AM

Quote:

They have no idea what is going on !




Is that your comment or a quote from them ?

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