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tarawa
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.577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3"
#141211 - 27/08/09 09:01 AM

Except for the load, are the casings the same dimensionally?

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: tarawa]
#141220 - 27/08/09 12:16 PM

yes.

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tarawa
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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: CptCurl]
#141243 - 27/08/09 11:03 PM

I am thinking of building a .577 BPE but may have to find a heavier donor gun. A 16 ga may be to light.

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: tarawa]
#146135 - 18/11/09 10:48 AM

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I am thinking of building a .577 BPE but may have to find a heavier donor gun. A 16 ga may be to light.

I'm finishing a .577NE 3" on 10ga, and its kicks like a mule at 13lbs. I'd go bigger.

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: BlainSmipy]
#146138 - 18/11/09 11:22 AM

I hope that you took lots`a pictures during this build..

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: AkMike]
#146181 - 19/11/09 01:23 AM

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I hope that you took lots`a pictures during this build..

When its done and looking pretty I'll post them.

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: BlainSmipy]
#146202 - 19/11/09 07:04 AM

Can't wait ! sounds cool !

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: Sarg]
#146268 - 20/11/09 03:14 AM

Not sure, but I think an AYA 10 bore might be a good base for a .577 BPE.

Had one back in the 80's for goose, before the lead shot ban - good shotgun at 9 1/2 pounds & quite tolerable with high vel. 2oz. shot loads and smokeless powder. Of course, a 1 1/2oz. slug, (656 1/4gr.) with 160gr. BP will kick a bit more. I'd think 10lbs. to 12lbs. finished in a BPE would suffice.

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: DarylS]
#146275 - 20/11/09 05:09 AM

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Not sure, but I think an AYA 10 bore might be a good base for a .577 BPE.

Had one back in the 80's for goose, before the lead shot ban - good shotgun at 9 1/2 pounds & quite tolerable with high vel. 2oz. shot loads and smokeless powder. Of course, a 1 1/2oz. slug, (656 1/4gr.) with 160gr. BP will kick a bit more. I'd think 10lbs. to 12lbs. finished in a BPE would suffice.

Don't bother with a BPE go for full nitro, modern 10GA actions are more than strong enough to take 10ton loads. The only issue might be stock strength.

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: BlainSmipy]
#146285 - 20/11/09 10:10 AM

IMHO

If it is a gun you are building to enjoy shooting and have a lot of fun with a big bore then do not go full .577 NE. It will not be plesant to shoot, awsome yes, a joy no.
It will be horrible to regulate especially if it ends up light for caliber (which it proberbly will) and could make you quite gun shy by the end of the process.

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: Bramble]
#146307 - 21/11/09 01:55 AM

Since I become mortal - age does that - I've decided I need my retinas to remain where they are. Having already torn the cartelage in my right shoulder from too much heavy recoil gun shooting, I've cut back on the amount of recoil I'm willing to accept.

I think you will find a BPE in .577 will give you all the recoil you'll want, and then some. The Nitro version will be very violent in comparrison in any weight.

To own a very powerful rifle is one thing, but to be able to take it out and shoot it a lot, is thick icing that is indeed delicious.

I think a .577 Nitro would be just about equal in FP recoil to pulling both triggers at the same time on a 3 1/2" 10 bore 9 pound double - roughly 120 foot pounds.

Is that about right?

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Sarg
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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: DarylS]
#146329 - 21/11/09 07:30 AM

Yes what is this feeling of being Mortal & having fear as one gets older

? I dont like it !

Do you think that is a good test to see if we can take the recoil , get a 10Ga load er up & give it a yank ?

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: Sarg]
#146330 - 21/11/09 08:27 AM

I'd do at least a 12 gauge for 577 up to Light Nitro
and 10ga should be great for a 577 Full Nitro.

A 577 at 13lbs should be shootable - suggest look at the stock, put a recoil reducer in it and stick something like
a Limbsaver on it.

Great recoil pads to stop felt recoil.

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: Sarg]
#146353 - 22/11/09 04:48 AM

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Yes what is this feeling of being Mortal & having fear as one gets older ? I dont like it !

Do you think that is a good test to see if we can take the recoil , get a 10Ga load er up & give it a yank ?

Sounds like something I might want to watch. I was 15 when I fired off 2, 10 bore 2 7/8" shot loads at the same time into a flock of prairie chickens on a cousin's ranch (eating the chicken's grain). Got 7 of them and broke the stock when the gun hit the ground - only hurt my pride a bit as I picked myself up. I was a big kid, but didn't expect to be hit by a truck. It kicked a lot more than my 20 bore. Cousin had instructed me to put both fingers on the triggers so I'd get more chickens. BaBoom. P. Chicken for supper all week & time to mix up some epoxy for the stock. Being young and fairly tough, I don't even think I bruised, but then, it was only 3 1/4oz. shot at 1,250fps - Hmmmm - sounds pretty much like Baker's 4 bore ball at 3 oz., doesn't it.

Becoming mortal is just a natural pregression in time, Sarg.

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BlainSmipy
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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: DarylS]
#146633 - 25/11/09 06:42 AM

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Since I become mortal - age does that - I've decided I need my retinas to remain where they are. Having already torn the cartelage in my right shoulder from too much heavy recoil gun shooting, I've cut back on the amount of recoil I'm willing to accept.

I think you will find a BPE in .577 will give you all the recoil you'll want, and then some. The Nitro version will be very violent in comparrison in any weight.

To own a very powerful rifle is one thing, but to be able to take it out and shoot it a lot, is thick icing that is indeed delicious.

I think a .577 Nitro would be just about equal in FP recoil to pulling both triggers at the same time on a 3 1/2" 10 bore 9 pound double - roughly 120 foot pounds.

Is that about right?

Remember, guys', there is always a reduced load that will regulate in any double. The reduced regulation load for my .577NE I'm building is a pussycat 560 grain Hawk FMJ at 1650 FPS in a 13.3 lbs gun. It's like shooting a 45-70 factory load. But, I have the option to go full bore if I want and or need to.

Also, as has been explained before, a well fitted stock, and proper shooting stance, significantly reduce felt recoil. Full loads in my gun are more of a push than slap. A .458 Lott in a #1 would be brutal IMHO.

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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: BlainSmipy]
#146702 - 26/11/09 02:41 AM

Your reduced load is very close to one of the 1880's .577 BPE loads listed in Greener's book.

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BlainSmipy
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Re: .577 BPE 3" vs .577 NE 3" [Re: DarylS]
#146949 - 30/11/09 03:44 AM

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Your reduced load is very close to one of the 1880's .577 BPE loads listed in Greener's book.

Exactly. Most doubles will regulate at or near the BPE loads. The good ole 2/3 loads rule of thumb. Hence my recommendation to build it at the full nitro load and just down load it for fun shooting.

Aside from all this, the 577 is just plain fun to shoot!

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