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grandveneur
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recoil pad for double rifles
#138826 - 12/07/09 07:33 AM

Rubber recoil pads or steel budd plates for old original big bore double rifles ?

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: grandveneur]
#138827 - 12/07/09 07:47 AM

Rubber recoil pads.

Some older BP DR's had metal plates.

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grandveneur
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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: 500Nitro]
#138828 - 12/07/09 07:56 AM

Some older BP DR's had metal plates.

I think so, for calibers like 500NE and 577NE, before the use of rubber pads!

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: grandveneur]
#138829 - 12/07/09 08:00 AM

I was thinking more along the lines of Black powder double rifles.

I just can't think of any I own or have seen that have metal butt plates in big bores.

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: 500Nitro]
#138830 - 12/07/09 08:15 AM

For how long do we use rubber pads for rifles?

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: grandveneur]
#138831 - 12/07/09 08:29 AM

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For how long do we use rubber pads for rifles?

What do you mean, when were they first put on guns ?

Not sure.

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: 500Nitro]
#138832 - 12/07/09 08:34 AM

Yes, thats my question!

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: grandveneur]
#138843 - 12/07/09 05:49 PM

Steel plates for the black powder express rifles and bore rifles.

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: tinker]
#138845 - 12/07/09 08:49 PM

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Steel plates for the black powder express rifles and bore rifles.

Only ? Before WWI are you sure ?

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gwood
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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: grandveneur]
#138855 - 13/07/09 02:09 AM

Hugh Silver patented his rubber pad in 1874, if that helps.

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: gwood]
#138857 - 13/07/09 02:34 AM

Aren't you guys forgetting horn? Lots of guns of old sported horn plates.

Also, Goodyear discovered vulcanization in 1845. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that rubber buttpads had kicked around for quite some time before Silver patented his pad. Wouldn't be surprised to find out that leather had been used to soften the blow, either. I've made a couple leather buttplate/pads myself. Sometimes merely rounding off the edges takes a big amount of sting out of recoil and a leather cover to a steel buttplate can do that nicely.

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: 9.3x57]
#138858 - 13/07/09 02:40 AM

Horn was definately used as I had a horn butt on one of my double rifles.

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: 500Nitro]
#138888 - 13/07/09 11:46 PM

My old double Webley & Scott 577NE had a " recoil heel plate " before somebody put a pachmayr on the stock. I have the invoice from march 9 / 1909 with all specifications. I dont know what a recoil heel plate anno 1909 !

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: grandveneur]
#138890 - 13/07/09 11:56 PM

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My old double Webley & Scott 577NE had a " recoil heel plate " before somebody put a pachmayr on the stock. I have the invoice from march 9 / 1909 with all specifications. I dont know what a recoil heel plate anno 1909 !

I don't know what a RHP is, but some old guns had partial protection; metal or horn that did not cover the entire butt, the rest being checkered or some such finishing work applied. Not sure about doubles.

Maybe your gun had a partial plate applied to the heel only or maybe RHP is a euphemism for a buttplate?

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: grandveneur]
#138899 - 14/07/09 02:16 AM

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My old double Webley & Scott 577NE had a " recoil heel plate " before somebody put a pachmayr on the stock. I have the invoice from march 9 / 1909 with all specifications. I dont know what a recoil heel plate anno 1909 !

That means a Silver's pad.

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: 400NitroExpress]
#138902 - 14/07/09 02:53 AM

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My old double Webley & Scott 577NE had a " recoil heel plate " before somebody put a pachmayr on the stock. I have the invoice from march 9 / 1909 with all specifications. I dont know what a recoil heel plate anno 1909 !

That means a Silver's pad.

Unless the patent was renewed, isn't there the chance that some other "recoil" pad might have been used, or were Silvers literally the only pads going among the British trade at that time?

I'm curious as very little is mentioned in old writings about kickpads {and slip=on, etc, types, too}, but I doubt they were unknown, and with the advances made in rubber technology since the 1874 date, I'd think others might have jumped in on the game, notably Constinental makers.

Anybody have an contemporary pics of unconventional pads as in slip-ons, etc?

Interesting thread.

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: 9.3x57]
#138982 - 15/07/09 03:03 AM

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Unless the patent was renewed, isn't there the chance that some other "recoil" pad might have been used, or were Silvers literally the only pads going among the British trade at that time?

The original pads I've seen on pre-war British DRs have all been Silver's.

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Re: recoil pad for double rifles [Re: 400NitroExpress]
#147005 - 01/12/09 11:00 AM

I'm installing a 1" Silvers on the .577NE soon to be done.

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