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Birdhunter50
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Double rifle building supplies
      #107166 - 10/06/08 10:43 PM

Gentlemen and ladies too,
I am interested in any suppliers of parts for building double rifles. I have dealt with Tom Ondrus before and have his catalog. Tom is a great guy but his supplies are somewhat limited. I am looking for barrels blanks to be used for sleeving, either straight tubes or semi-contoured, top and bottom ribs, quarter ribs, express sights, and european type sling swivels. If there is already such a list somewhere on here, and I am just not aware of it, I appologise for this question, but it seems like it would be a good idea to share information on where these things can be found and ordered. Any books on the subject at hand would also be appreciated. Bob H.

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #107187 - 11/06/08 06:45 AM

EDIT: Birdhunter, as an after thought I was afraid my lighthearted jab below may be taken offensively. I have not deleted it as it is only intended in fun. I did want to take this oportunity to forwarn you though so as not to cause hard feelings. Actually perhaps a "sticky-ed" post with this sort of information (sources) would be helpful to all. Frankly though, right here is about the most helpful place I've found for freely traded information on this subject of converting side by side guns to rifle. Information that is equally helpful in working on shotguns as well.

As for books, Ellis Brown's "Building Double Rifles on Shotgun Actions" is unquestionably the best place to start asside from right here at NE.com. Not the absolute difinitive work but about as close as it comes. In reality Mr. Brown himself advises that his book is intended as "a guide" for those who would like to take on such projects. Some of his opinions and methods are somewhat biased (as he also admits) but you'll be hard pressed to find a similar body of information on the subject.

Parts suppliers? I thought you've done this before? Try the usual suspects; Brownells, NECG, Galazan, Jeff's Outfitters and don't overlook the many possibilities at Gun Parts Corp. Just Google "Gun Parts" and the list of potential suppliers is impressive. I've also picked up the odd lot of scarce parts on AuctionArm.com and Gunbroker from time to time. For gun specific parts you'll need to do a bit more work. Then of course many of the parts intrinsic to such firearms, particularly old and/or obsolete ones simply are not available commercially but must be bench made. The road aint smooth but it is scenic and interesting!

Edited by oupa (11/06/08 08:44 AM)

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Birdhunter50
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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: oupa]
      #107193 - 11/06/08 11:18 AM

I bought one of the first of Mr. Brown's books on building double rifles and have read it several times. You are right, he is oppinionated on some things, and his way may not always be the best way, but as you say, It is just about the only game in town. You only mentioned one supplier that I have not heard of or used, who or what is Jeff's Outfitters? I have never heard of them before. I know of several more that might be of some help but the reason I asked the question about suppliers is to see if I had missed any serious sources. Barrels can be had from many sources, and yes, I too have salvaged parts and reused them. It is one of the best ways to get them if they will work for the purposes you need to fill.
Tom Ondrus has been selling me parts and guns for several years, and he has many nice parts including monoblocks, sleeving barrels, and all the parts to build a double from scratch. He unfortunately only has one style of rib, though, and sometimes I need something shorter or narrower so I am always looking for other sources. Track of the wolf, Dixie Gunworks,Bauska Barrels in Montana, De Hass barrels in Missouri, Hastings barrels, I have used all these and more. I will take parts where I can find them, and I just thought it would be informative and helpful to have some kind of master list for everyone to access, especially the beginners on here.
Bob H.

Edited by Birdhunter50 (23/06/08 11:58 AM)

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #107211 - 11/06/08 10:07 PM

I purchase quarter rib blanks from Dakota Arms. They have always been super folks to deal with and will make just about whatever you desire.

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: WCF]
      #107212 - 11/06/08 10:15 PM

WCF, Thank you for that information, I will give them a try soon. I have a mill and am going to try making one myself. The machine I have is neither powerful or accurate so it will be a challenge. Bob H.

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #107265 - 12/06/08 02:55 PM

Such is our lot, even the few odd pieces found at gunshows need a tremendous amout of work or fitting.

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: dale]
      #107280 - 12/06/08 11:33 PM

BH50, Sorry you were so offended by my jab. As I hoped I'd explained in the edit it was merely intended as a lighthearted joke as FRIENDS often exchange. That's why I left it in instead of merely deleting it. Of course when such comments are made in person it is accompanied with a grin or a snicker that foretell's the harmless intent. Alas, such fun is too frequently misinterpreted in a printed sentence due to the lack of that personal interaction or the inflection of one's voice.

As stated previously, I think such a reference list here would be a tremendous resource. I recently lost my (old) computer on which was most of such information I've acumulated in the last few years. Those sources I regularly use are easily remembered. Other less used or simply saved for future reference are lost. Much more to say but time is short, I gotta run!

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #107289 - 13/06/08 01:39 AM

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I'm about done trying to be helpful or to get a good discussion going among people who have actually BUILT some of these. This websight seems to be packed with alot of armchair experts who have plenty of money to buy British Best doubles and look down their noses at the rest of us While drinking their sundowners in Africa. I've about had my fill. I now remember why I quit coming here in the first place Bob H.



Bob.

I for one would like you to retract that.

If you were somehow offended by the poster then that is a matter between you and him. You have in the past few days posted a lot of information and re-opened a lot of archived posts on this subject. You appear to have a lot of experience in this field and at the same time are asking for scources of some basic supplies and using equiptment which is "neither powerfull or accurate"
That somebody pointed out to you that that appears strange does not I think necessetate your agressive response.

I have answered many practical questions from many people that want to attempt conversions, as have many others here. Perhaps some of the better healed members do not contribute to these, but they often help with load information, barrel profiles of the origional guns etc.

It is unnecessary to include other members of this forum in a wide ranging and derogratory post in this manner.

We have just finished a session of intemperate behaviour on what is for many of us our "home site" which has resulted in the disapearence of a couple of our members. I am sure that the regulars do not wish another occurance soon.

If you dislike the people here so much and hold them in such low regard, I respectfully suggest that you post elsewhere.

Over to you John

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: Bramble]
      #107291 - 13/06/08 02:09 AM

I hope we can get beyond the unintended controversey I seem to have begun and get on eith this most worthwhile idea. Jeff's Outfitters http://www.jeffsoutfitters.com/Default.aspx?categoryid=1 is the former Cape Outfitters and has some useful and reasonably priced items. Ballistic Products http://www.ballisticproducts.com/ has much information, references and loading supplies for shotguns. Kebco http://www.kebcollc.com/ frequnetly has some nice European items. AuctionArms.com is useful for guns, parts and other items. Some other easily found sources are mentioned in the posts above. I would be most interested in more European source. Particularly a British firm I ran across several months ago but delayed placing an order because they were scheduled to come to a large show near my home. The weekend of the show I was unable to go due to an emergency. As stated, I recently lost my old computer where most of my information was stored - another lesson learned the hard way!

BTW - that British firm makes various double gun parts for the trade. Both rough castings and finished parts. Sure wish I could remember the name!

Edited by oupa (13/06/08 02:16 AM)

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: oupa]
      #107307 - 13/06/08 07:14 AM

One British company that is certainly worth having on file is T.W.Chambers and Co. A wonderful selection and very good people to deal with. I ordered a spring from them some time ago and had it on my bench in 7 days, from Scotland to Canada. That's less time by far than goods coming from the USA, Brownells for instance.

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: Ron_Vella]
      #107315 - 13/06/08 09:43 AM

oupa, could that be Peter Dyson ? http://www.peterdyson.co.uk/acatalog/

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: Bramble]
      #107318 - 13/06/08 11:29 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I'm about done trying to be helpful or to get a good discussion going among people who have actually BUILT some of these. This websight seems to be packed with alot of armchair experts who have plenty of money to buy British Best doubles and look down their noses at the rest of us While drinking their sundowners in Africa. I've about had my fill. I now remember why I quit coming here in the first place Bob H.



Bob.

I for one would like you to retract that.

If you were somehow offended by the poster then that is a matter between you and him. You have in the past few days posted a lot of information and re-opened a lot of archived posts on this subject. You appear to have a lot of experience in this field and at the same time are asking for scources of some basic supplies and using equiptment which is "neither powerfull or accurate"
That somebody pointed out to you that that appears strange does not I think necessetate your agressive response.

I have answered many practical questions from many people that want to attempt conversions, as have many others here. Perhaps some of the better healed members do not contribute to these, but they often help with load information, barrel profiles of the origional guns etc.

It is unnecessary to include other members of this forum in a wide ranging and derogratory post in this manner.

We have just finished a session of intemperate behaviour on what is for many of us our "home site" which has resulted in the disapearence of a couple of our members. I am sure that the regulars do not wish another occurance soon.

If you dislike the people here so much and hold them in such low regard, I respectfully suggest that you post elsewhere.

Over to you John



Bramble,

Thank you for your mindful consideration of the gentlemanly tone we aspire to on NitroExpress.com.

I am not chiming in to chastise Birdhunter50, as he may have misunderstood oupa. I see that oupa has taken responsibility for comments that may have been interpreted as sharp, but were not so intended. We all have instances such as this, where nuance is lacking in typewritten words.

We certainly don't want Birdhunter50 to "vote with his feet", but we do want him to acknowledge oupa's apology and join into discussion on NE.com in the spirit you have recommended. It is that spirit that truly sets NE.com apart from other discussion boards on the web.

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Curl

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: CptCurl]
      #107320 - 13/06/08 01:08 PM

Actually NE.com's membership is made up of a lot of sources, including users, customers, collectors, amateur DR makers, to very experienced and very much established DR makers as well.

A list of where to source different supplies obviously has some merit on the Building DR forum.

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: NitroX]
      #107335 - 13/06/08 09:15 PM

Hello all,

Try www.josephbraizer.com . They have some excellent bits-n-pieces.

Alex

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: alexbeer]
      #107343 - 13/06/08 11:01 PM

Oupa,
I guess I should appologise to you for my over reaction to your off the cuff remarks. I must have been having a real bad day. But, I do get tired of armchair experts chastising newbies and trying to put down their oppinions when in fact many times the "expert" doesn't have it right in the first place. I did not mean to offend this group in any way. I do feel that just like the rest of these discussion groups, there is way too much gousing and nitpicking.
From now on, I will just refrain from answering to anything said to me on here in a dirogatory manor.
I still do think that some kind of master list of suppliers of any double gun parts is worth having, for the more experienced builders as well as the beginners in this group. As I see it, there are two area of building rifles that are in short supply, finding good parts and finding the proper knowledge to do them correctly. I have some of the knowledge but I come here to further my education and I hoped that we could work on the other shortage though the compiling of a master list.
Again, I'm sorry if I stepped on anyones toes. Bob H.

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #107345 - 13/06/08 11:22 PM

Birdhunter50,

Your idea of a master list of suppliers for double gun parts is a great idea and will make a worthwhile addition to this board.

I will start a thread just for that purpose and pin it to the top of the forum so it will always be readily available (won't sink into oblivion).

To all who have posted supplier information on this thread or any other, I ask you to visit the new thread I will start just directly and post your information there.

Let's make a catalog of suppliers.

Curl

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: CptCurl]
      #107354 - 14/06/08 12:34 AM

To all,
I couldn't be more in concert with the expressed appreciation for the civil attitudes here. I to appreciate the wide range of experience be it with gun making, load development, the most valuble information on existing guns and experiences with them, etc... No where else is such information available AND so freely shared. I am certinaly no "expert" by any description. Maybe I've missed it but I've never interpreted anything on NE.com as snobbish. It is this attitude that makes me feel so at home here. I do have some "experience" but commonly describe myself as "a tinkerer" rather than gunsmith, machanic or any other specialized title. I claim no more or less! Experience? Yes I have some but expert I am not. I love to learn something new. Frequently that tidbit comes from the most unlikely source. Frequently it is someone devoid of preconceptions who has the freedom to envision a totally different way of doing something. When we fail to listen to even the most outragious ideas we are doing a disservice to ourselves.

Bob, no need to acknowledge anything! Your participation and sharing of your knowledge, experience and opinions along with everyone else is better than any internet equivalent of a handshake. What you proposed is a valuble idea and will likely benefit myself as much as anyone given the recent loss of my own cache of sources! Thanks again to all and I will endeavor to temper my humor in the future.

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #107374 - 14/06/08 08:23 AM

BH 50

Thank you for that. Your approach to the matter is appriciated. It is now forgotten.

Turning to the substantive part, it is a good idea to create such a list.

for ribs and bits, nice solid recoil pads, all sorts.

If you are a dealer-Helston gunsmiths www.helstongunsmiths.com have quite a good range.

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: Bramble]
      #109346 - 09/07/08 10:40 PM

Oh, joy! A real source of info on parts, etc! Just finished building my DR, and I found that a 1/2" square key stock milled to a vertical taper makes a nice quarter rib, and if you mill dovetail grooves in the sides, and little 3/16 recesses on the top where you want scope rings, a Ruger ring clamps nicely on the quarter rib. Will try to figure out how to post a photo.

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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: xsheadspace]
      #109348 - 09/07/08 10:45 PM

Aha! Here's the rib(I hope)


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Re: Double rifle building supplies [Re: xsheadspace]
      #109389 - 10/07/08 09:13 AM

Very Nice! That's a slick fix for mounting a scope. I'm glad you found us and I hope you pick up a few new ideas along the way. Welcome to double gun heaven! Bob H.

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