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mickey
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Re: Any intrest in LT caps? [Re: gatsby]
      #105863 - 23/05/08 12:13 AM

Gatsby

You are thinking of the Fauneta, right?

Seyfried doesn't like the idea of plastic wads because of possible scrubbing of the bores and rifling. I suppose a plastic or nylon cap would not have enough contact to do damage though.

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Re: Any intrest in LT caps? [Re: mickey]
      #105865 - 23/05/08 12:33 AM

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Gatsby

You are thinking of the Fauneta, right?

Seyfried doesn't like the idea of plastic wads because of possible scrubbing of the bores and rifling. I suppose a plastic or nylon cap would not have enough contact to do damage though.




Well, similar the Super magnum. Don't the Fauneta loads you've been using have a plastic wadding?
I didn't know Ross had a concern about the plastic. I think the nosecone will come into contact with the choke rifling.

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Re: Any intrest in LT caps? [Re: gatsby]
      #105881 - 23/05/08 02:45 AM

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Don't the Fauneta loads you've been using have a plastic wadding?




Yes they do have plastic wads. That's how I know Ross doesn't like them. He did say in all probability they would not damage the rifling, and they shoot sooo well.


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Re: Any intrest in LT caps? [Re: mickey]
      #105913 - 23/05/08 01:17 PM

If the cap came into contact with the bore, something has gone horribly wrong!

If designing this thing from scratch, one would ensure that the base of the cap is stepped-in from the perimeter of the slug body, by sufficient amount to miss the rifling in the choke. Besides, a shoulder is needed to roll-crimp onto anyway.

The guys in Australia have been shooting plastic wadding in nitro paradox guns for years. Perhaps there is a plastic fouling problem in the chokes, but not to the point of anyone mentioning it. Nothing in Wrightie's book either IIRC.

Not that it's a crime, but Seyfried can take the 'traditional' thing to the extreme sometimes!

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Re: Any intrest in LT caps? [Re: Marrakai]
      #105925 - 23/05/08 04:35 PM

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If the cap came into contact with the bore, something has gone horribly wrong!

If designing this thing from scratch, one would ensure that the base of the cap is stepped-in from the perimeter of the slug body, by sufficient amount to miss the rifling in the choke. Besides, a shoulder is needed to roll-crimp onto anyway.

The guys in Australia have been shooting plastic wadding in nitro paradox guns for years. Perhaps there is a plastic fouling problem in the chokes, but not to the point of anyone mentioning it. Nothing in Wrightie's book either IIRC.

Not that it's a crime, but Seyfried can take the 'traditional' thing to the extreme sometimes!




You could design the bullet not to engage the rifling but the originals did and may have engaged the smooth bore section to a degree in some guns. I get the base measurement of the cone at .733/4.
The choke constriction measurement in most guns seems to be at .688/692. There was another cone patent that was .006 smaller but still would have engaged the rifling. You would think plastic would be kinder to the bores than brass.

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Re: Any intrest in LT caps? [Re: mickey]
      #106106 - 26/05/08 12:57 PM

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Gatsby

Seyfried doesn't like the idea of plastic wads because of possible scrubbing of the bores and rifling. I suppose a plastic or nylon cap would not have enough contact to do damage though.




With all respect to Mr. Seyfried, I have shot many thousands of .060" LDPE (Low Density Polyethylene) over powder wads through my pet BP target rifle without any degradation of the bore. If bore damage is a concern this material would be a suitable and safe option.

Now that I think of it, there sure enough have been a few plastic shotgun wads put through barrels in the last 40 years. I believe these are LDPE as well.

Glenn


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Re: Any intrest in LT caps? [Re: Glenn_Fewless]
      #106114 - 26/05/08 03:05 PM

There you go again Glenn, mucking things up with reason and fact. Don't you know its all black majik with these paradox guns. I had mine out today with the second batch of loads using the LBT bullets. Either I wasnt as steady, or the first batch with the NEI bullet performed better. I think it was the loads as 2 other guys who are avid big bore shooters shot the gun, both with similar results as myself. The group was a bit wider with these slower loads. Still plenty of kick. The question of the day was "which is more pleasent to shoot, the .577 3" NE or the Super Mag?" More testing needs to be done, but I'd say the .577 at 14lbs was easier on the shoulder than the Super. I was shocked how well it broke clays once I settled down and figured out the sight picture.
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