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AkMike
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Westley Richards CTG??
#43149 - 05/12/05 04:29 PM

Has anyone ever heard of a cartridge named"Westley Richards No#1 carbine cartridge" Is this a 577-450 or based on this case?
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AkMike

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Marrakai
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Re: Westley Richards CTG?? [Re: AkMike]
#43165 - 05/12/05 11:03 PM

In reply to:

Has anyone ever heard of a cartridge named"Westley Richards No#1 carbine cartridge"

Yes, I was lucky enough to acquire a 'sleeper' Westley Richards Improved Martini Henry a few years ago, chambered for this cartridge.

In reply to:

Is this a 577-450 or based on this case?

No, It is a bottle-neck .500/.450 with a case-length of 1.56 inches. It was originally loaded with 55 grains of BP beneath a 380gr patched lead bullet.

My 'inherited' nitro-for-black load for this cartridge is a 300gr Taipan over 33gr 4759, though I'll have to develop an ADI equivalent at some stage. In my rifle its surprisingly accurate, but a bit underpowered, more like an oversized rook calibre. Having failed to impress the Brit Military, Westley Richards proceeded to market the Improved MH in .500/.450 No.1 Carbine as their 'Kangaroo Gun' in the Antipodes!

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AkMike
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Re: Westley Richards CTG?? [Re: Marrakai]
#43183 - 06/12/05 06:55 AM

Thank you Marraki.
That is helpful. It sound as if it's going to get rechambered to something better. Who needs to shoot crows with a.45 rifle.
Mike

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Marrakai
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Re: Westley Richards CTG?? [Re: AkMike]
#43229 - 06/12/05 03:08 PM

What is the rifle you have chambered for this cartridge, AKM? I assume it has little collector-value. Unfortunately my WR-MH is a collector, otherwise that big heavy action could be rechambered for any number of big-bore Express cartridges.

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AkMike
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Re: Westley Richards CTG?? [Re: Marrakai]
#43237 - 06/12/05 06:42 PM

I'll post pictures of it next week or so. It probably does have collectors value and chambering it would drop that alot... Maybe I should mull it over more. I'd like to be able to load it up so it's a medium hot load for a 45-70. 405 gr @1600 fps or so would be good. I will have to add to my library and get the "British Single Shot Rifle" Vol 4. I heard it has some load data for this cartridge.
I don't know alot about British rifles. I have a John Lyell 500 BPE double and an Alexander Henry S.S. 450 NE and this Westley Richards.
It's a long time til next moose season.. Lot's of time to think it over.
Thanks

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