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JDL
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I haven't seen this before
#314504 - 27/03/18 02:36 AM

Was looking at a 1910 and noticed how far the front sight was to the rear. Is this unusual?

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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: JDL]
#314505 - 27/03/18 02:38 AM

Surely would have noticed that before, but I haven't.

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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: DarylS]
#314508 - 27/03/18 04:04 AM

Many of the pre WW1 1910 rifles and stutzen have the front sight 1" from the barrel mouth.
We have encountered a lot of such fitted M-S, all were 1910 models.

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Louis
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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: DORLEAC]
#314510 - 27/03/18 04:25 AM

JDL - Although not common, this is encountered from time to time and I have a M. 1908 detachable stock with front sight similar tou yours, see hereafter:

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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: Louis]
#314539 - 27/03/18 11:32 AM

Thanks for the information fellows.

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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: JDL]
#314552 - 27/03/18 04:03 PM

I have seen several images on the 'net from auctions and other 'sites over time that have shown the sight mounted well behind the muzzle.

My M1910 takedown (proofed 1922) has the front sight forward, but here's Clint Eastwood with a takedown MS (the front takedown pin is clearly visible, as is the stock profile) that has the sight mounted aft:

It was purported to be a "six point five" (M1903) in the film, 'White Hunter, Black Heart'.

This M1910 (also a 'takedown' detachable stock) sold at Rock Island for $3450 in 2017:

My front sight looks thus:

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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: Rothhammer1]
#314557 - 27/03/18 08:04 PM

I have a 1910 full wood with 24inch barrel with the front sight set back. ( Special Order)
In very little used condition, even has the cleaning rod with correct jag for the 9.5. Will post post after the Easter break.
Dorleac appears to be correct, just the Model 1910 seems to appear with this feature.

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Rothhammer1
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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: paradox_]
#314618 - 28/03/18 09:28 PM

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, just the Model 1910 seems to appear with this feature.

Louis shows his M1908 with the 'set back' front sight in his post above.

Here's an M1903 with the 'set back' and a sight hood, albeit a Westley Richards custom:
RockIsland

Another 6.5X54:

And this:

Another '03 from Gunauction:

There appears to be something 'odd' about the stock on that last image, just behind the forearm checkering.
It looks as if material has been removed - perhaps a feature of the 'extra light' option as advertised in the '39 Stoeger?

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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: Rothhammer1]
#314649 - 29/03/18 01:08 PM

There you go, we never stop learning

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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: paradox_]
#314657 - 29/03/18 03:20 PM

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There you go, we never stop learning

No doubt.

I'm unsure at this point if any of the rifles and carbines left the Steyr factory with that sight placement or if the front sights were installed or moved by custom builders.

I haven't found any catalog references or advertisements from Steyr or their retailers that offer an option of having the sight 'set back'.

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Rule303
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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: Rothhammer1]
#314707 - 30/03/18 09:51 AM

I always took it that the front sight was set back to allow for the front barrel/muzzle band on the full wood stocks.

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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: Rule303]
#314724 - 30/03/18 04:43 PM

IMO these "set back" fore sights are quite typical for rifles built or re-sold by british shops. I have read that the reason for this "set back" is an idea that if/when barrels muzzle crowning goes bad it´s quite easy to shorten barrel a little and then re-crown it.

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Re: I haven't seen this before [Re: Igorrock]
#314728 - 30/03/18 05:06 PM

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IMO these "set back" fore sights are quite typical for rifles built or re-sold by british shops.

Many of the images that I have found of MS with the 'set back' sight are in cases with British gunmaker's labels. I've guessed at it being a 'British thing' myself.

Here's a Westley Richards rifle with the 'set back' front sight.

On the other hand, though a Mannlicher Schoenauer with the factory take down system is often referred to as 'British Take Down', my M1910 take down has the sight at the muzzle. It is cased, but if there was ever a label it is long since gone. My grandfather bought it second hand in Ceylon ca. 1932.