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JPK
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Re: grips [Re: new_guy]
      #31219 - 15/05/05 11:14 PM

I have to say that I don't think most German double shotguns compare to even a run of the mill English gun let alone a really good English gun. And I've never handled a German gun that IMO handled or pointed really well.

Most German guns seem to be middle weight as Dugga Boy points out and IMO earn their longevity through both the plethora of fastening devices found on each typical German gun and through lack of rounds through the action. Seems to me I've seen plenty of tight on the face well worn guns that have lots of evidence of being carried alot and shot alot less.

Recoil is recoil whether from a shotshell or a rifle cartridge and game is game. The configuration of the rifle or gun is the result of evolution with the end result generally being more efficient in one way or another, pretty much results or costs seems to me.

The results, ie the choice made by those for whom cost are relatively incosequential, show that a straight gripped, relatively long barrelled, 6lb 12oz or so, double trigger pair or trio of guns choked about quarter, with a good, full time paid loader were the most efficient guns for driven birds; a double riffle of 450NE or so with two triggers and weighing about 11 pounds was the most efficient elephant gun.....

The most efficient rifle for driven four footed game seems to be a straight gripped double rifle of modest calibre and modest weight or so it seems from the number of really nice, high end doublles of this description from countries that feature this type of shooting that I've seen.

JPK

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Re: grips [Re: JPK]
      #31228 - 16/05/05 05:53 AM

I've always preferred straight-hand stocks on my double shotguns and shoot better with them that way. But Ray & Mac are right, a double rifle is a different animal and a pistol-hand stock helps - provided that it is open enough. Those found on most current Euro double rifles are not and I usually notice feeling a bit cramped on the rear trigger. I imagine that a straight-hand stock would be preferable to that, but a pistol-hand of proper shape would be better.
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Re: grips [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #31304 - 17/05/05 02:49 PM

JPK,
I agree with you on a shotgun, all my double shotguns are straight gripped, but if you shot a .470 and up with a straight grip, first of all the lever woulld split the web of your hand, and the back of the trigger guard would severely hurt your second finger and you could never flip a proper birdie from that day forward!!!

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JPK
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Re: grips [Re: atkinson6]
      #31399 - 18/05/05 12:57 PM

Just to be clear, I also think a "pistol" grip, and preferably a fairly fairly open one, is the only way to go on a heavy recoiling rifle. But I also think that the europeans might be on to something with their straight gripped lighter calibre and recoil driven boar and deer rifles. Seems more like shooting game birds than standing game to me.

On the balance issue, some like their shotguns to balance centrally like most H&H's seem to be some like the balance a wee bit further forward like most Purdeys seem to be but most of the double rifles I have handled have a bunch more weight forward than a decent shotgun. On the other hand my 10ga POS Spanish goose gun - with a very open pistol grip - performs very well with the balnce way forward like my double rifle and happens to weigh but one ounce less to boot.

Ray, I think your right about the damage shooting a straight gripped 470 would do. I'm not crazy enough to try to shoot a heavy kicker without the pistol grip. With sweaty hands its got to be like holding greased lightning.

JPK

PS; Mickey, I'll pass on the "bumper" info for the second finger to my brother. Thanks

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k80
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Re: grips [Re: JPK]
      #31476 - 19/05/05 09:29 AM

The most recoil that sticks in my
mind is a Ruger #3 in 45-70. Staright
hand stock, steel butplate,500 grn.
bullet. It got sholder,cheek bone,and
hand.


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475Guy
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Re: grips [Re: k80]
      #31478 - 19/05/05 10:41 AM

k80

When the #3's first came out, a couple of my shooting buds got a few and I had a chance to try 'em. The straight grip didn't bother me but the EFFING steel butt plate did. It just beat the shit outta me and that was with factory Rem 405 grainers going out at about 1300 f/s. I still had some Elmer Keith loads for my old #1 and after the dude laughed at me for being a sissy, I dared him to shoot a few of them. Now that was a funny sight! Imagine a 300# gorilla of a guy getting a perfect metal imprint on his shoulder after the rifle recoiled about 130 degrees off the bench. Now that definitely was painful! I laughed my ass off as he almost fell off his seat on the shooting bench.





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k80
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Re: grips [Re: 475Guy]
      #31567 - 20/05/05 10:16 AM

Yes I agree when it happens to
someone else it is funny.

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