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vladimir
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Sounds questionable to me
#23890 - 11/01/05 07:32 AM

Want to know what the experts say about something I was told today.
During a conversation about my adding a Pachmayr recoil pad to my soon to have 458 Lott, I was told that adding lead shot or sinkers would help reduce recoil too. It was suggested that while I have the butt plate off, I pour in a few ounces, as much as it would hold, of lead into the butt stock.
This sounds kinda like a "bubba fix" to me. What to you all who have more experience with big bores say about this?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

-Vlad

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shakari
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Re: Sounds questionable to me [Re: vladimir]
#23892 - 11/01/05 07:54 AM

Vlad,

For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. Therefore the heavier the rifle the less recoil is felt, however that particular method sounds a bit too basic for my tastes. I would personally prefer to fit a mercury or tungsten bead recoil arrestor into the stock.

I had a mercury tube fitted into the stock of my .500 Jeffrey and it made a huge difference to the recoil. James Nixon III who posts here as NONE has 2 or 3 fitted into his 458 Lott and he shoots it single handed.......and extremely well !!

Hopefully some of the gunsmiths who post here might be able to give you a more informed opinion.

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Edited by shakari (11/01/05 07:55 AM)

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SAHUNT
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Re: Sounds questionable to me [Re: vladimir]
#23894 - 11/01/05 07:57 AM

Every action has a equel but oppisite reaction. It boils down to bullet weight X speed = rifle weigt x speed ( recoil). The heavier the rifle the less the recoil will be. I have heard of people the installed a tube with quick silver in their stocks to help reduce the recoil. All of this might work, but remember your rifle becomes heavier, you might start the day with a rifle weighing 5.5 kg, but by noon it will be 20.

I hunt with a Sako 375,. one of the lightest 375's I know off, it only weighs 4.2 kg.

Yes it is kicking a bit harder but it is a pleasure to carry in the bush. Anyway I cannot recall the recoil when I shot at an animal, on the shooting range after 20 shots, yes my shoulder can feel it.

Forget all the funny things, after a couple of shots you get used to the recoil.

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vapodog
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Re: Sounds questionable to me [Re: vladimir]
#23902 - 11/01/05 09:15 AM

as long as you're adding (hopefully) decelerator pad, now's the time to decide upon balance and weight.....weight of rifle is a very personal thing and it's up to you.....and yes felt recoil is a function of weight.....adding weight to the butt stock as well as the foreend under the barrel will help to balance the rifle and that's important as well.....it's all a matter of what you want.....personally I'd opt for balance.....and now's the time to get it.

The decelerator pad will amaze you as to how much it will help.

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4seventy
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Re: Sounds questionable to me [Re: vapodog]
#23903 - 11/01/05 09:21 AM

In reply to:

personally I'd opt for balance

Me too.
I always give priority to balance rather than recoil or weight.

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Will
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Re: Sounds questionable to me [Re: SAHUNT]
#23904 - 11/01/05 09:24 AM

If one has the morbid desire to shoot the Lott all the time, could shoot reduced loads for practice or have 2 identical rifles, one heavy for playing and one light for hunting.

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Re: Sounds questionable to me [Re: vladimir]
#23906 - 11/01/05 09:50 AM

I have done it before with a few different rifles. If the wood is soft ,the pellets end up pushing into the wood ,creating more space ,then rattling around. I poured in araldite to keep it fixed as one mass. With my 458 Lott ,I hollowed out the forend and filled it with lead shot and epoxy ,to add more weight and put more weight up front.

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larcher
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Re: Sounds questionable to me [Re: 4seventy]
#24055 - 14/01/05 02:47 AM

Vlad,

Like vapodog and 4seventy I strongly insist on BALANCE,
Last Year my cousin had the great idea to install a 416 Rem barrel onto his Blaser 95.
My !!!what a nuisance. This too heavy a barrel made his rifle ploughing the ground no end. No good when tackling buff and in the same time risking to bump in lion (on the license) and running away from cantankerous (protected) ele 3 or 4 times every day. I wonder why elephants were not a plague of Egypt?

In fact he got his whole bag with my perfectly balanced 10 pounds Sauer 202 375HH. Back in France he traded his damn barrel for a nice CZ 416 Rigby along with a Zeiss 1.5-6*42-. Yesterday we regulated it, with GPA bullets (solid and banana split) ,perfect.
I don’t trust recoil pads. Their role is minor.
The best thing you can do is your sticking (with scotch tape)lead pads on your stock and your fore end so that the rifle stay balanced and you feel an acceptable recoil. Then, you can either araldite lead or fix 2 mercury tubes or do nothing. Don’t dive head up in an irreversible option.
Anyway, don’t worry, I was told the best cartridges makers provide a new clavicle in every 20 rounds box. Just specify Left or Right.

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butchloc
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Re: Sounds questionable to me [Re: vladimir]
#24065 - 14/01/05 05:24 AM

don't know about the rest of you but i usually carry my heavy calibers one hell of a lot more than i shoot them. then when i shoot them it's at something big, and i get a bit excited then. usually i don't even feel the recoil about then, but i sure do feel more tired at the end of 10 or 15 days of carrying around extra weight. matter of fact i even took the weight out of my merkel stock. sure carries easier.

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