juanpozzi
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NEXT YEAR SOME CLIENTS WILL TRY TO TAKE WATER BUFALOS WITH SPEAR AND BOW ,I HAVE A 458WINCH,CZ375,AND A MARLIN GUIDE GUN 4570 IM COSIDERING BUYING A 458LOTT OR A 505 GIBBS WHAT DO YOU THINK.JUAN PABLO POZZI PROFFESIONAL HUNTER FROM ARGENTINA
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470Nitro
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If this is gonna be a guide gun only, a 505 should be better. Just for self defense or backup shots.
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NitroX
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The guides rifles at the outfitter I hunted with last month were plain jane .458 Win Mags.
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mickey
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NEXT YEAR SOME CLIENTS WILL TRY TO TAKE WATER BUFALOS WITH SPEAR AND BOW .........
Don't forget the pictures. 
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atkinson6
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I personally would opt for a 458 Lott..That caliber is a fine killer of anything on earth..The 505 is too but it sure is a kicking SOB IMO....
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JefferyDenmark
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Juan
I would go for the .458 LOTT
You could make your 458 win mag into a LOTT.
When I come in March you can try the .500 Jeffery all you want I will bring plenty of ammo  The recoil is not bad and the .505 Gibbs is the same.
With your size the big bore should be no problem. If ypou get hooked then get one Jeffery or Gibbs either will do.
Cheers,
André
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juanpozzi
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andre my 458 its a present by client a custom mauser argentina 1909 so ill not touch it i prefer a cz 458lott or 505gibbs or a 416 rigby perhaps ill buy all i like heavys and i use them a lot with andre ill prove a 505 jeffrey.juan
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JefferyDenmark
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Juan Friend
The DWM Modelo Argentino 1909 is the best original mauser action made. They did not rush things in Berlin back then
The .500 Jeffery is a great killer you can use mine all you want.
The .500 Jeffery is 10 mm shorter then the Gibbs but more powerfull 100 fps
Then .500 Jeffery can be made on a DWM Modelo Argentino 1909 action with modifications. Harald Wolf has done it many times. He made on for Tony Sanchez Arino. Now he is sponsered by DUMOULIN-HERSTAL http://www.dumoulin-herstal.com/index_fr.htm Fine company.
The CZ action is ok but does not feel like the DWM you know what I talk about
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Edited by JefferyDenmark (10/09/04 11:10 PM)
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Safarischorsch
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If i were you, i would by a cz 550 ( you said that you will do) in 416 Rigby and would take a new barrel in .450 Rigby! When you choose the big CZ System that would be the best idea, i think. Don t forget the pictures.
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juanpozzi
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jaegers i like all the heavies ,for me the mauser mod argentino 1909 its the best but the cz can handle long cartriges as the magnum mauser action it can be done in argentines but its easier in czs .i think ill buy a 458lott and ill prove something heavier like 500jefery of andre here mauser actinos are very cheap.juan andre we will prove your rifle in evry animal we see.juan
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juanpozzi
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you can see some of my photos dogs and boars in the post of artemis in americas hunting.or in www.huntinginargentina.com.ar
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SaHunter
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.500 tyranasour baby 
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juanpozzi
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here used 1909 are very cheap so ill try to buy some more and ill make a battery of heavies for me and my clients ,i guided and hunted more thatn 100 water bufalos,i used 416s ,375,458,460wby ,4570,44mag.even 308 and 300wby and wich but i strongly suggests a 458wich aS A MINIMUN for a ph
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