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mauserand9mm
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range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range
      #163466 - 06/07/10 10:10 AM

Well it's finally happened to us now too. The following cartridges are not allowed to be used since they exceed the licenced template for the range:

338 Lapua
460 Steyr
and some 406 cartridge that I'd never heard of.

I mean you can't argue against this, even if it is a result or "urban creep". It's going to happen especially considering the proximity of the range to the CBD. I'll bet a lot of developers are itching to get a hold of the land some day (curently federal land).

There's a petition going around on noise issues and they have had noise measurements taken a couple of months ago, but I don't know what the results are.

The range came under pressure about 20 years ago but that settled down, but now things are only going to become more restrictive without easing off, IMO.

I'm going to make the most of the facility while it is still there and keep going every weekend.


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Ben
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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #163468 - 06/07/10 11:10 AM

Bugger.

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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #163475 - 06/07/10 03:11 PM

New legislation planned in Queensland, and the added restrictions put on rifle ranges.

Sounds very familiar.

Death by a thousand cuts.


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In my opinion, sensible controls and restrictions backed up by good evidence and logic is bearable, but when new restrictions and controls are put in with little good logic, or no real evidence or cause at all, especially when it is designed just to make life difficult, then it is not bearable or acceptable.

Removing the range use of those cartridges/rifles may mean many shooters with only club use/target shooting type justifications will have lost their reason to own.

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450_Ackley
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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: NitroX]
      #163488 - 06/07/10 05:44 PM

And if you just happen to own one of the above calibres, and want to sell it, won't it be hard to find a buyer for it without giving it away?
Might need some creative thought put into "genuine reasons to own"!

DC


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btm_54
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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #166270 - 16/08/10 01:45 AM

It is the same in Sydney at the Silverdale range.
I just had a gun safe check by the NSW police.
They had a questioniare on why did I own a 338 LM?
What reason did I have it for and where did I shoot it?
What did I shoot with it?
What range did I target shoot at.
They said the results of the questionare were being submitted to the NSW firearms registary for approval.
I thought I already had approval when I brought it 4 years ago.

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mauserand9mm
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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: btm_54]
      #166291 - 16/08/10 10:01 AM

The rules can change at any time, I guess.

There is also a new field on the sign-in form at the range: calibre being used (I run out of room to fill this in sometimes.

Talk is going around that there may be compulsory range attendance requirements for long arms - just like they have with pistols. I go every weekend anyway but the range is going to become even more packed if this happens. May have to book in advance or it may even force some regulars to become not so regular.


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Homer
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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #166315 - 16/08/10 10:03 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Our local SSAA rifle range template has always been for cartridges up to 8mm Only!

It has only been in the last few years that mention of this, has been made.
Given that half of my rifles have a larger bore diameter than this...........

And don't hold your breath waiting for the SSAA to say No to Compulsory Attendances!
As usual, they will just concede defeat without so much as a Boo against this additional imposition on Law Abiding Firearm Owner's (LAFO's)!!!
Bring on the Compulsory Attendances but the authorities had better start looking for additional space for more ranges, to accommodate the demand!

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FATBOY404
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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: Homer]
      #166338 - 17/08/10 07:21 AM

The Dalby range in QLD has a 9000 fpe limit.
Good for anything.

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Empire375
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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: FATBOY404]
      #166340 - 17/08/10 08:03 AM

What is a fpe limit?

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mauserand9mm
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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: Empire375]
      #166342 - 17/08/10 10:41 AM

fpe = foot pounds energy

Normally the danger template is related to maximum distance of projectile which is dependant on projectile velocity and projectile type. It hasn't been quantified into a predicatble science and relys on empirical data (ie testing done in the past).

SSAA is in a difficult position - they have to comply with regulations being imposed. The governing bodies don't owe anything to the law abiding shooters and they can push as hard as they want. Even the US have to continually fight for their shooting rights and they have more political clout percentage wise.


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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #166343 - 17/08/10 10:50 AM

Thanks Mauserand9mm.
So is it just a matter of upgrading the range or having it reassessed ?
Sounds like it could be fixed


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mauserand9mm
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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: Empire375]
      #166410 - 18/08/10 01:28 PM

Interesting thought - I'm not sure what could be done to "improve" the template on a fixed piece of land (without actually purchasing extra land - not possible in this case). I've seen images on the web from ranges in the USA where they have overhead angled pieces of timber - but this would likely be for noise attenuation.

Noise complaints is the other problem we are experiencing as there is expanding residential development in progress to the east of the range complex but we are separated from it by the Gateway arterial road (basically a freeway). I recently found out that the noise tests conducted at the range property boundary had issues with the high background "noise" from the freeway, so they conducted tests at 2am one day and got some high readings from the odd truck and motorbike on the freeway that exceeded any noise value that that got from the range noise measurements that they did when the range was open. I think the problem is not so much the noise level from the range but the fact that the residents know the noise is gun fire and this would upset the anti-gunners amongst them.

Of course the anti gunners that have been living in the longer term established surrounding areas are also jumping on the bandwagon of the noise complaint petition. Although, in all fairness, there are many rifles with muzzle breaks these days and they would certainly send more of the noise their way. I'm not a big fan of muzzle breaks (I gotta admit that tactical rifles don't interest me at all, there are many "classical" style firearms that shoot extremely accurately and look good and are more practical for field use) and why do they bother putting them on 308s and the like?


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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #166413 - 18/08/10 02:39 PM

Quote:

Interesting thought - I'm not sure what could be done to "improve" the template on a fixed piece of land (without actually purchasing extra land - not possible in this case). I've seen images on the web from ranges in the USA where they have overhead angled pieces of timber - but this would likely be for noise attenuation.

Noise complaints is the other problem we are experiencing as there is expanding residential development in progress to the east of the range complex but we are separated from it by the Gateway arterial road (basically a freeway). I recently found out that the noise tests conducted at the range property boundary had issues with the high background "noise" from the freeway, so they conducted tests at 2am one day and got some high readings from the odd truck and motorbike on the freeway that exceeded any noise value that that got from the range noise measurements that they did when the range was open. I think the problem is not so much the noise level from the range but the fact that the residents know the noise is gun fire and this would upset the anti-gunners amongst them.

Of course the anti gunners that have been living in the longer term established surrounding areas are also jumping on the bandwagon of the noise complaint petition. Although, in all fairness, there are many rifles with muzzle breaks these days and they would certainly send more of the noise their way. I'm not a big fan of muzzle breaks (I gotta admit that tactical rifles don't interest me at all, there are many "classical" style firearms that shoot extremely accurately and look good and are more practical for field use) and why do they bother putting them on 308s and the like?






The angled timber is a feature most often used on pistol/rimfire ranges, but where used on centrefire ranges is often as much about controlling aimed trajectory options as it is anything else. IIRC there's something about the type of timber used that makes it expensive (hardwood and lots of it)

On the subject of noise complaints, people will complain, rather than educate themselves about things they don't understand. There is a group (supported by the greens) that wants to close Essendon Airport in Melbourne due to what they feel is the disturbance of activity outside curfew
hours. Trouble is, over 95% of curfew busting flights are exempt because they're Police, Ambulance or the Flying Doctor.......


Muzzle brake noise is fairly easily addressed by angled buffers at the sides of the firing points to deflect the noise upwards where the jets flying overhead are the only ones likely to know. You could always get some local arts students to decorate them.......


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Empire375
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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: Well_Well_Well]
      #166417 - 18/08/10 04:06 PM

I fly as well so I know all about houses encroaching on my fun places and the agitators who dwell in them and seem to have plenty of time on their hands!! Essendon is a perfect example of this.
I know that some of the SSAA ranges need a lot on money spent on them and I believe the Victorian government has approved a grant for a new complex near Melbourne but time will tell.
The reason mauserand9mm that 308's have muzzle breaks is basically because they look so good! I had a Sako TRG with a muzzle break and I reckon the break made me more accurate - I can spot my own shots and I feel it helped me to loose my flinching habit.


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Re: range restrictions now here at the Brisbane public range [Re: Empire375]
      #166421 - 18/08/10 06:25 PM

We have a bit of fun with the Barrett 338 Lap "down the creek " at my home,thus I wonder if that will be stopped also.

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